Although Orys has a point too 
Mind you, he does reside north of Hadrian’s Wall, that does explain a lot, some of the lassies or carrying a bit of baggage under their kilts Orys 
Maybe that’s where the Thais got the idea??
Carryfast:
It’ll take time but I think that the whole idea of the global free market economy will end up being seen as the failed financial experiment that it was.The question is just how much money will the whole mistake have cost us.
Yea because the closed market in North Korea makes it such a great place to live.
Seems weird most of them old eastern block country’s only seem to produce two kinds of woman the spearmint rhino stunner and the east german weightlifter.
On a serious note it would be nice to buy British but we would really end up like the old commie block spending our lives queuing outside shops while we built the factory’s to make it. And to be fair when we did make stuff we made some good stuff but we did make loads of old crap. If it wasn’t for the eu I’d probally be sitting here at a factory in wallsall in an Atkinson borderer 50th anniversary special edition with the extra wide 9 inch.
i have often thought that the USSR had some sort of breading program.
am i alone in this view?
limeyphil:
i have often thought that the USSR had some sort of breading program.
am i alone in this view?
No,
limeyphil:
i have often thought that the USSR had some sort of breading program.
am i alone in this view?
What like in Norfolk?
newmercman:
Free market economy, how quaintVery naive CF, the US economy is not and never has been free, in the 40s/50s/60s/70s it was mostly supported by military spending during the Cold War.
Since then the economy has been steered in whichever direction the Big Companies, their Lobbyists and the Politicians (they buy) want to steer it in
Look at the Car Company bail outs, nobody was buying GM and Chrysler products because they’re crap, people still bought Hondas, Toyotas, Hyundais and the others though, they didn’t need bailing out, the Government said it was to protect American jobs, bollox it was, GM and Chrysler make most of their junk in Mexico, whereas Honda, Toyota and Hyundai make cars in the USA, they’re the ones who provide Americans with jobs. Government at its best
Laws are passed to ensure that the rich get richer and Joe Public gets it up the arse, it doesn’t matter whether they call themselves left wing, right wing, communist, fascist, capitalist, it doesn’t matter what country you’re talking about, politicians are the same, they’re all a BOCs
Maybe but however you look at it the Chinese,the Asians and the East Europeans are all getting richer at our expense and those jobs provided by Honda etc in the States don’t seem to be making much difference to the US balance of payments and trade deficit situation.But getting rid of all the Californian type green bs and fuel taxes and purchase taxes on so called gas guzzlers etc etc would have done more good to GM and Chrysler.
However the outsourcing of manufacturing to Mexico is all part of the issue of the global ‘free market’ economy that I’m talking about and which some real protectionist policies would fix.
SmashedCrabFace:
mickyblue:
Yeah, why is that? I never have seen a ugly one yetBecause the ugly ones are killed at birth so as not to bring shame on the Polish nation. We could do with some of that over here, especially in Hull.
Dont forget grimsby…
muckles:
Carryfast:
It’ll take time but I think that the whole idea of the global free market economy will end up being seen as the failed financial experiment that it was.The question is just how much money will the whole mistake have cost us.Yea because the closed market in North Korea makes it such a great place to live.
The economy of North Korea is where China would still be ‘if’ the developed western economies governments and bankers etc hadn’t decided to throw loads of money at the place so they could take advantage of cheap Chinese labour and import loads of stuff that we could make ourselves thereby giving the Chinese some money to buy stuff from us in return which effectively means that everything they send us we pay twice for and everything we send them we’ve already paid for.
My take is that it’s all a mountain out of a molehill. It was all agreed in principle and when they all shuffle off to read the fine print, they’ll all start bickering - indeed Sarkozy is already throwing his dummy out because the Irish got a concession to keep their low corporation tax and he know reckons it isn’t fair. camerlot went and asked for one concession, he didn’t ask for money, he didn’t ask for any changes to any of the monumentally stupid regulations that have appeared in the last few years - I think it was more political than anything from Sarkozy and possibly Merkel. Looking at full fact today which is good at sorting out the rubbish and coming up with facts, aloss £30 billion to the economy seems to be a reasonable figure. Wether you like bankers or not and not many do, they do still pump in a chunk of tax and there doesn’t seem to be too many people coming up with a good idea of how to replace that much revenue. It won’t get signed till March - and that’s if it ges signed. And even so, it doesn’t address the problem of low-growth or of indebtedness of the PIIGS. The Eu can’t afford for Greece, italy etc to fail and it cann’t afford to bail them out. It also can’t decide what to do and this latest in a long line of summits has just kicked a can further down the road.
Of course they may be p****ed off in Brussels as they have awarded them selves a 2.7% increase to the budget…forced down from 5% by the UK.
Given that we buy a load of mercs and french wine in greater quantity than we sell them land rovers and burberry macs, they won’t fall out with us too much. And we are one of the few net contributors and we have agreed to shunt a load more money into the emergency fund.
This is an interesting article… bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16136004 ,surprisingly “supportive” of Dave,considering it’s the beeb 
Baggie:
This is an interesting article… bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16136004 ,surprisingly “supportive” of Dave,considering it’s the beeb
Very interesting, being on holiday I’ve been watching the political programmes and following events on the Internet.
I think there a the begining of a backlash to all this across Europe. Despite the summits etc there still isn’t the money to bailout countries like Spain and Italy. There is more an more opposition in many Countries to austerity measures, that many feel are impossed by Gemany. The Germans are getting more annoyed that they are bailing out the rest of Europe. The French economy isn’t doing that well either and Sarkozy faces an Election next year and his popularity rating is pretty low at the moment. Hence his anger at the British position, he’s getting desperate to sort before he goes to the polls.
I am fed up of hearing the bile being spilled about the british over the micky mouse euro that I think in is boardering on out and out racism, Prodie the man with the face I could punch two bit , sarkosy,I do agree germany and france have won the peace but we can still have the last laugh they own our railways , power companies, trams . water, airports,and I THINK DHL WILL FINISH UP WITH THE POST OFFICE.We have been sold down the swany by Labour , Cons, and the librels PHONEY DEMOCRACY.
muckles:
Baggie:
This is an interesting article… bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16136004 ,surprisingly “supportive” of Dave,considering it’s the beebThe French economy isn’t doing that well either and Sarkozy faces an Election next year and his popularity rating is pretty low at the moment. Hence his anger at the British position, he’s getting desperate to sort before he goes to the polls.
French economy is in dire straits, theier bank exposure is huge and next year there will be a pension crisis. The early polls suggest that one of the socialist parties will win the election and they have already said that they wouldn’t sign up to the treaty as it stands.
for as long you harness differing economies together under one currency and different fiscal systems, you will have a problem. Trouble is to get the same fiscal system is to have Brussels decide on tax levels, monetary policy etc, and realistically that means the country with the most clout gets its way.
Worldspreads have a spreadbet going for when the euro collapses…can’t imagine that many people are going to take the option for still going in 2013.
Sarkozy is a complete moron, Germany, UK, France in that order are the only net contributers to the EU. The French banks are horrendously exposed and their economy is in a worse state than ours. At least he admitted that they need the UK, they need us way more than we need them. Without the UK contribution France and Germany would have to make up the shortfall.
They say 40% of our exports go to EU countries therefore 60% goes elsewhere, we also import way more from EU countries than we export to them so in reality without the UK the other EU countries would be even more stuffed than they are already.
limeyphil:
‘…Will David Cameron’s refusal to sign the latest EU treaty have any effect, positive or negative on the UK haulage industry…?’
A vast array of answers to this one - but something profound emerged when I heard a foreign EU economist reflect during a BBC Radio Four programme on ‘…how the EU is mankind’s greatest social experiment…’
Who in these British Isles was counselled, let alone voted for, this shocking reality?
There are major issues to be addressed which have, are, and will continue to negatively affect this industry by membership of the EU …and will continue to do so until we achieve independence from it. Norway & Switzerland thrive despite their non-membership, with the latter doing 78% of it’s export business to EU nations 
I’m confident of attracting abuse, but perhaps protagonists can begin by telling us how staying in can be made positive, at what more financial cost and will it really benefit Britons or simply those of daydreamy & tree-huggy persuasions?
Happy Keith:
limeyphil:
‘…Will David Cameron’s refusal to sign the latest EU treaty have any effect, positive or negative on the UK haulage industry…?’A vast array of answers to this one - but something profound emerged when I heard a foreign EU economist reflect during a BBC Radio Four programme on ‘…how the EU is mankind’s greatest social experiment…’
Who in these British Isles was counselled, let alone voted for, this shocking reality?
There are major issues to be addressed which have, are, and will continue to negatively affect this industry by membership of the EU …and will continue to do so until we achieve independence from it. Norway & Switzerland thrive despite their non-membership, with the latter doing 78% of it’s export business to EU nations
I’m confident of attracting abuse, but perhaps protagonists can begin by telling us how staying in can be made positive, at what more financial cost and will it really benefit Britons or simply those of daydreamy & tree-huggy persuasions?
don’t think there’s been a single post disagreeing with you
chicane:
Sarkozy is a complete moron, Germany, UK, France in that order are the only net contributers to the EU. The French banks are horrendously exposed and their economy is in a worse state than ours. At least he admitted that they need the UK, they need us way more than we need them. Without the UK contribution France and Germany would have to make up the shortfall.They say 40% of our exports go to EU countries therefore 60% goes elsewhere, we also import way more from EU countries than we export to them so in reality without the UK the other EU countries would be even more stuffed than they are already.
Our problem is that we import way more,from both inside and outside the EU,than we need to,when what’s needed is trade barriers to boost the domestic economy and manufacturing industry not more open markets in which we’ve either got to compete with Germany and/or China and lose every time.
It also doesn’t help the situation when we’ve got a domestic banking sector and government that works against us when it suits them like giving investment,jobs and industry to our competitors and then putting up protection to save their own skins when it doesn’t.
When it’s been British workers asking for wages to match their German counterparts it’s always been a case of they are our ‘competitors’ so we’ve got to undercut them and when it’s the banks and industry wanting to make a profit from cheap labour it’s always a case of we have to provide them with foreign investment taken from our taxes and economy because they are our ‘trading partners’.
The fact is the Germans will never buy as many manufactured goods as they expect us to buy from them and the only way that the Chinese and East Europeans can afford to buy anything from us at all is by us giving them the money to do it first and the fact is ‘trading’ with the EU and China just means providing British cash reserves and taxes and putting British workers on the dole to provide East European and Chinese workers with money in the hope that they’ll spend some of it on German goods.
As for me I made the mistake of voting for Cameron’s government when it’s just a bunch of idiots who don’t really know what they want,where they stand and wether they are in or out, because the Labour Party that ‘should’ have been there instead was wiped out by Wilson,Healey, Callaghan and Thatcher years ago.
In which case having said that the British electorate of that time are just as much to blame for where the country stands now.
It is a two speed Europe now , they are in the fast lane but they have no idea where they are going let em go and good ridance the two faced barstewards.