Now that the new regs are a month old,what is the law regarding the ‘Not for hire and reward’ category?
IIRC,under the old rules,you could,to a certain degree,drive more or less anything,tax it at plg rates,and declare that it was not for the purpose of carrying goods,therefore releasing you of any laws relating to the original build and use of the vehicle.
Do owners of such vehicles now have to comply with tachos,maintenance,o’licence,and everything else that the normal operartor has to?
Ken.
I don’t think any O licence rules have changed, and the Private Hgv tax band is still there, but if the vehicle is over 7.5 tonnes GVW the Tacho rules apply - which means you can’t drive it on a rest period - causing a lot of problems for the TA according to the papers ( and probably others too)
Denis F:
I don’t think any O licence rules have changed, and the Private Hgv tax band is still there, but if the vehicle is over 7.5 tonnes GVW the Tacho rules apply - which means you can’t drive it on a rest period - causing a lot of problems for the TA according to the papers ( and probably others too)
I know that VOSA issued a statement in regard to this and it stated that for the purpose of truck shows and LDOY, an exempton to the drivers hours would be in force providing that the vehicle was not being used (even in part) for hire or reward.
I ASSUME this still stands?
ROG:
Denis F:
I don’t think any O licence rules have changed, and the Private Hgv tax band is still there, but if the vehicle is over 7.5 tonnes GVW the Tacho rules apply - which means you can’t drive it on a rest period - causing a lot of problems for the TA according to the papers ( and probably others too)I know that VOSA issued a statement in regard to this and it stated that for the purpose of truck shows and LDOY, an exempton to the drivers hours would be in force providing that the vehicle was not being used (even in part) for hire or reward.
I ASSUME this still stands?
I’ve read that on here, has anyone seen a written version of this ? Is it available online anywhere ?
Just looking on the VOSA site and came accross this document:
It gives this information about the use of tachos in vehicles used for the non-commercial carriage of goods and personal use the new rules from 11 Apr 2007 and says - “Vehicles or combination of vehicles with a maximum permissible mass not exceeding 7.5 tonnes used for the non-commercial carriage of goods”.
There is a new tacho exception for “Commercial vehicles, which have historic status according to the legislation of the member state in which they’re driven and which are used for the non-commercial carriage of goods for personal use DfT are currently consulting on what constitutes a historic vehicle”
so how do all these people take the trucks to shows then■■?
as its not for hire or reward but an artic or rigid is over 7.5tonne so comes under tacho regs■■?
scottbrown:
so how do all these people take the trucks to shows then■■?as its not for hire or reward but an artic or rigid is over 7.5tonne so comes under tacho regs■■?
yes, it’s now under tacho regs 
After talking to a lot of guys who run non comercially, the general concensus seems to be ostrich like, i.e head in the sand waiting for arse to be kicked.
Denis F:
I don’t think any O licence rules have changed, and the Private Hgv tax band is still there, but if the vehicle is over 7.5 tonnes GVW the Tacho rules apply - which means you can’t drive it on a rest period - causing a lot of problems for the TA according to the papers ( and probably others too)
We’ve not had any problems with the tacho rules, mainly becuase our trucks don’t have the Tachos (TA).
The army is binded by the rules afaik however they agree “with the spirit of drivers hours”. Also the CO can overide the rules and make you drive but takes the preverbial if it hits the fan.
Sockpuppet:
We’ve not had any problems with the tacho rules, mainly becuase our trucks don’t have the Tachos (TA).
roadtransport.com/Articles/2 … -typo.html
The withdrawal of the legislation followed within hours of a so-called ‘fatal amendment’ tabled by the Earl, Lord Attlee, recommending the lords rejected the law as it does not represent the interests in the Armed Services or recreational users. Lord Attlee fears that the Territorial Army will be unable to recruit professional drivers for weekend exercises because of the rest periods demanded by the regulations. He is also concerned that heavy truck enthusiasts will be hit by unnecessary bills for tachograph calibration and sealing.
As I understand it professional drivers on weekend TA excercises are restricted whether driving or not. The reason being that if you’re on a TA excercise you’re not on rest. The argument that it’s voluntary doesn’t work because while it may be your decision to volunteer, once you’re on duty you’re no longer able to freely dispose of your time so a whole weekend away after a 5 day week would be illegal.
I spoke with VOSA again today, with reference to the Historic goods vehicle being used for private use exemption and guess what?! Historic goods vehicles are being classed as anything over 25 years old.
Therefore I can use my Peterbilt for shows and for pulling my step frame Caravan/ transporter with no tacho. RESULT!
What are the rules regarding using the firms truck for a carnival/village float.
Are we still under tacho rules and wtd rules?
Yes I’m affraid you are. We supply trucks and trailers every year to our local schools for the carnival, but tacho’s are the least of our worries, insurance is the real problem. My insurers refuse to provide cover every year, and it take a lot of phone calls and application of pressure to get it sorted out.