It isnt possible to do a manual entry to extend drive time, driving mode cannot be selected on a manual entry 
Hiya a quick glance for me in my day 30 seconds…BUT whenever i stopped at a cafe or delivery i always just glanced at the wheel nuts and tyres maybe 3 or4 times a day,
so you check in a morning and things will be ok for rest of the day… did vosa say that…i would even just look at any wheel nuts when passing other lorries.
i was walking into crick truckstop one day, the wheel nut was all lose on this trailer wheel i went into the cafe and shouted out this chap number plate to tell him his
wheel was hanging off… he replied i’ll tell the garage man wen i get home.
John
Eckyboy:
Flagged by me when I do the tacho infringement reports Monday morning. It’s not a legal requirement but we stipulate it should be done. As I said 15mins is the recommendation but tbh as long as it shows something.
From your original post I assumed you was a driver who was a bit upset that another driver was bending the rules a bit, but now you say it’s your job to check the infringements.
Now I’m not sure whether you’re a driver or a transport office bod who’s just trying to do the job you’re paid to do, perhaps you could clear up the confusion for us 
Happydaze:
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.Again, according to who?
According to VOSA and the courts.
One of the milk drivers on Wincanton farm collections out of Whitminster went out with a defective headlight. He was pulled by VOSA who then went through his tacho records, they found he was only booking driving and rest. When they asked him why this was, he told them,“Thats what we were told to do” (this IS what they were told to do).
VOSA went to Wincanton and did an audit, most of the drivers were found to be doing the same and had huge fines, Wincanton got off prosecution on a technicality (good lawyers).
This is true and confirmed by a lot of p’ed off drivers so if you’re tempted to do more than is legal to get the job done, then you’re a mug, the company won’t help you or thank you for it.
green456:
It isnt possible to do a manual entry to extend drive time, driving mode cannot be selected on a manual entry
No but the time spent driving round the yard to pick his trailer up, fuel up and collect his keys should be recorded which may eat into his 9 hour drive.
But as we all have done it, the only person it will affect is the bloke behind the wheel, you can only blame the shunter and mechanics for so much. 
Sent you a pm tachograph.
schrodingers cat:
Happydaze:
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.Again, according to who?
According to VOSA and the courts.
One of the milk drivers on Wincanton farm collections out of Whitminster went out with a defective headlight. He was pulled by VOSA who then went through his tacho records, they found he was only booking driving and rest. When they asked him why this was, he told them,“Thats what we were told to do” (this IS what they were told to do).
VOSA went to Wincanton and did an audit, most of the drivers were found to be doing the same and had huge fines, Wincanton got off prosecution on a technicality (good lawyers).
This is true and confirmed by a lot of p’ed off drivers so if you’re tempted to do more than is legal to get the job done, then you’re a mug, the company won’t help you or thank you for it.
That’s nothing to do with time sheets and tacho matching though, that’s to do with showing a period for checks or any other work.
I get guaranteed 9.5 hours so my time sheet shows start 19:15 and finish 04:45 every shift. I usually book off and am heading home between 03:30 and 04:30 so my tacho and time sheet rarely match. My tacho records are accurate though and they show a few minutes at the start of the shift for vehicle checks and hooking the trailer and at the start of a shift I make a manual entry for the previous shift to cover the time between ejecting the card and actually going home when I am returning the keys and downloading the card. Every minute of my actual working time is recorded but apart from the odd occasion it won’t match the time sheet.
The whole time sheet must match the tacho is just ■■■■■■■■, what about people on salary ? Their tacho records won’t match the hours they are getting paid which is all a time sheet is.
Where I work, there is a notice on the wall, saying that, last year VOSA had checked 2 drivers,diferent days, same week, on a routine control and found that both drivers didn’t have at least 10 minutes other work after inserting the digi card, to show checks were done. So they were fined 30 quid , and the ofence was recorded as level one incorrect use of mode switch and as well by not showing POA from starting work to the time they inserted the digi card on the unit.
So we were told to show at least 10 minutes other work after inserting the digi card, before starting driving or moving.
So there you go, is your word against VOSA, and we know, no matter what, they are always right, is recorded on the chip
Coffeeholic:
schrodingers cat:
Happydaze:
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.Again, according to who?
According to VOSA and the courts.
One of the milk drivers on Wincanton farm collections out of Whitminster went out with a defective headlight. He was pulled by VOSA who then went through his tacho records, they found he was only booking driving and rest. When they asked him why this was, he told them,“Thats what we were told to do” (this IS what they were told to do).
VOSA went to Wincanton and did an audit, most of the drivers were found to be doing the same and had huge fines, Wincanton got off prosecution on a technicality (good lawyers).
This is true and confirmed by a lot of p’ed off drivers so if you’re tempted to do more than is legal to get the job done, then you’re a mug, the company won’t help you or thank you for it.
That’s nothing to do with time sheets and tacho matching though, that’s to do with showing a period for checks or any other work.
I get guaranteed 9.5 hours so my time sheet shows start 19:15 and finish 04:45 every shift. I usually book off and am heading home between 03:30 and 04:30 so my tacho and time sheet rarely match. My tacho records are accurate though and they show a few minutes at the start of the shift for vehicle checks and hooking the trailer and at the start of a shift I make a manual entry for the previous shift to cover the time between ejecting the card and actually going home when I am returning the keys and downloading the card. Every minute of my actual working time is recorded but apart from the odd occasion it won’t match the time sheet.
The whole time sheet must match the tacho is just ■■■■■■■■, what about people on salary ? Their tacho records won’t match the hours they are getting paid which is all a time sheet is.
Sorry maybe I didn’t explain it very well.
The audit I mentioned was a check of timesheets against tacho records (eg timesheet says started work at 6:am tacho put in at 6:10 no manual entry, same again at end of day). This was the evidence used against the drivers in court and as I say the drivers lost.
wegi:
Where I work, there is a notice on the wall, saying that, last year VOSA had checked 2 drivers,diferent days, same week, on a routine control and found that both drivers didn’t have at least 10 minutes other work after inserting the digi card, to show checks were done. So they were fined 30 quid , and the ofence was recorded as level one incorrect use of mode switch and as well by not showing POA from starting work to the time they inserted the digi card on the unit.So we were told to show at least 10 minutes other work after inserting the digi card, before starting driving or moving.
So there you go, is your word against VOSA, and we know, no matter what, they are always right, is recorded on the chip
But the drivers will have hung themselves by opening their mouths, the conversation went like this:
V. Morning driver can I see your records please?
D. Certainly Bud.
V. I see you put your card in at 6am but didn’t start driving until 6.10.
D. No, I was doing my checks Bud
V. You didn’t put your mode switch on work related duty.
D. I did put my card in though.
Kerching. £30 please, incorrect use of mode switch. It may be harsh but it is easily cured by manual entry or by selecting other work. Put you card in and drive forward 3 feet and do your checks, the mode will adjust automatically.
The correct mode for doing driver checks will always be other work. Whether it takes 6, 10 or 25 minutes.
schrodingers cat:
Coffeeholic:
schrodingers cat:
Happydaze:
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.Again, according to who?
According to VOSA and the courts.
One of the milk drivers on Wincanton farm collections out of Whitminster went out with a defective headlight. He was pulled by VOSA who then went through his tacho records, they found he was only booking driving and rest. When they asked him why this was, he told them,“Thats what we were told to do” (this IS what they were told to do).
VOSA went to Wincanton and did an audit, most of the drivers were found to be doing the same and had huge fines, Wincanton got off prosecution on a technicality (good lawyers).
This is true and confirmed by a lot of p’ed off drivers so if you’re tempted to do more than is legal to get the job done, then you’re a mug, the company won’t help you or thank you for it.
That’s nothing to do with time sheets and tacho matching though, that’s to do with showing a period for checks or any other work.
I get guaranteed 9.5 hours so my time sheet shows start 19:15 and finish 04:45 every shift. I usually book off and am heading home between 03:30 and 04:30 so my tacho and time sheet rarely match. My tacho records are accurate though and they show a few minutes at the start of the shift for vehicle checks and hooking the trailer and at the start of a shift I make a manual entry for the previous shift to cover the time between ejecting the card and actually going home when I am returning the keys and downloading the card. Every minute of my actual working time is recorded but apart from the odd occasion it won’t match the time sheet.
The whole time sheet must match the tacho is just ■■■■■■■■, what about people on salary ? Their tacho records won’t match the hours they are getting paid which is all a time sheet is.
Sorry maybe I didn’t explain it very well.
The audit I mentioned was a check of timesheets against tacho records (eg timesheet says started work at 6:am tacho put in at 6:10 no manual entry, same again at end of day). This was the evidence used against the drivers in court and as I say the drivers lost.
Ah, got you. My tacho always has a manual entry from 19:15 until I get the vehicle which last night was at 20:03. It’s just the end time on the tacho is always different to my time sheet. I’ll do the manual entry for last nights shift when I go in tonight and it will 04:20 while my time sheet for last night shows 04:45, by which time I was home.
wegi:
Where I work, there is a notice on the wall, saying that, last year VOSA had checked 2 drivers,diferent days, same week, on a routine control and found that both drivers didn’t have at least 10 minutes other work after inserting the digi card, to show checks were done. So they were fined 30 quid , and the ofence was recorded as level one incorrect use of mode switch and as well by not showing POA from starting work to the time they inserted the digi card on the unit.So we were told to show at least 10 minutes other work after inserting the digi card, before starting driving or moving.
So there you go, is your word against VOSA, and we know, no matter what, they are always right, is recorded on the chip
Where does anything state it is a requirement to show POA?
As for the other work at the beginning of the shift. For walk round checks the rules stipulate a responsible person must carry out a thorough check of the vehicle/trailer at least once every 24 hours. it doesn’t stipulate who a responsbile person is and certainly doesn’t say driver. Therefore your vehicle could be pre-walk round checked by a mechanic before you get to work. I only say could as I wouldn’t want it done that way.
If during interview the drivers concerned answered the questions without thinking - they probably dropped themselves in it by owning up to ‘working’ before they got in the vehicle and not recording it. or the card was in and they put the mode on ‘bed’ then went and did something? For it to be incorrect use of the mode switch it must have been something like this.
The favourite trick by VOSA is they see no period of work before the vehicle was used then ask “Have you done a walk round today driver” to which the driver panics and says “yes”. Instant reply is then “When” and drivers says “Before I started”. Therefore he either did it during his rest or off the card by default - driver is now back peddaling with excuses. he could have doen his walk round last night - 9 hours ago. Nothing wrong with that.
There will always be an element of some work before the tacho goes in - unless perhaps if you were kipping in the cab, rolled outta the bunk and into the drivers seat having done your walk round last night.
There is always something more to a story like the one above.
commonrail:
grass
pathetic. i do wonder how many people on here actually drive trucks in the uk these days? i think a lot of guys such as this prick ‘common rail’ like to think they are but in fact they are just sad losers who know of nothing of working in the haulage industry these days.
podgerjones:
commonrail:
grasspathetic. i do wonder how many people on here actually drive trucks in the uk these days? i think a lot of guys such as this prick ‘common rail’ like to think they are but in fact they are just sad losers who know of nothing of working in the haulage industry these days.
If you don’t mind me asking, how long have you been a pro driver?
At our place we’re worried more what our company would do rather than the government, they demand we run legal and not showing a few minutes on duty time for vehicle inspection at the start of your day would result in at least a talking too 
And they do employ someone to check our logs all the time so we can’t get away with anything anymore 
This thread is ridiculous… By the law of averages, someone is going to get done by VOSA for not taking the required 15 minutes to do their checks. That someone will then post a topic complaining that they’ve been fined by VOSA for the infringement and ask how other members would suggest a defence. You don’t even have to physically take the 15 minutes, you can record it on the reverse of an analogue tachograph or use manual entries on digital tachograph. For christ’s sake, what’s 15 minutes?
Let them get on with it and get along with your own work.
So what if he is doing it so he doesn’t have to run a 10hr drive.If the rest of you run legal then it’s more than obvious you can only do it using a tenth hour and not 9 like this driver.
I could not give a toss what anyone is doing it’s upto them.There is too many people sticking their noses in where it is not welcome at just about any firm.They are annoying and normally the biggest bloody whingers going.
They sit there gobbing off about how many hours work they have done and such and such job is 12 hours not 10 etc etc…It’s only 12 hours if you sit in the layby tossing it off.
I’ve always said if a place of work could get rid of the moaning nosy parkers then the job would be better.
Sorry went off on one 
Sorry, but mind your own business, whatever the outcome of his actions it doesn’t affect you in the slightest.
There is a guy at our place who takes too much interest in what all the other drivers are doing, where they are going, when they are finishing, what work they are on, whether they are wearing uniform or not, and he can really be the biggest pain in the backside to be around.
It’s an individuals job, apart from the fact you work at the same company, don’t go out of your way to screw things up for people. That sort of stuff was supposed to be left in the school yard. It seems a lot of drivers were left there too.
jessicas dad:
And how often do vosa stop you■■? I’ve been stopped twice in 12 years. T When my digi malfunctioned last year I ran 5 weeks without one and nobody said a word in fact nobody even asked for themy printouts.
That’s amazing! I get stopped at least 2 times a year and I’m not always driving! We are in the orange on our ocrs, it’s only one away from a green though! We do join the motorway where vosa tend to sit which might be something to do with it.
Francis
WildGoose:
Sorry, but mind your own business, whatever the outcome of his actions it doesn’t affect you in the slightest.There is a guy at our place who takes too much interest in what all the other drivers are doing, where they are going, when they are finishing, what work they are on, whether they are wearing uniform or not, and he can really be the biggest pain in the backside to be around.
It’s an individuals job, apart from the fact you work at the same company, don’t go out of your way to screw things up for people. That sort of stuff was supposed to be left in the school yard. It seems a lot of drivers were left there too.
I understand where your coming from but what if it does affect him? If they are pushing him because he likes to stay legal Surely that’s not fair.
Francis