Eckyboy:
I wasnt falling out, just never agreed with the comment “grass”.
anyway for what it’s worth-
“If you’re an operator, failing to ensure walk around checks are being carried out might be deemed a contravention to your O licence declaration.”
No no, me neither. 
lol
Eckyboy:
It was me and wasnt speaking from authority but if a tacho starts with driving without any other work then it should be flagged. Appologies but thats the FTA guidlines we use but in reality at long as it shows something:)
What do you mean by “flagged”, “flagged” by whom, I assume you have a transport manager who’s job it is to see that the job is done correctly and according to the operators license stipulations, so unless it involves you in some way why not let the TM do his job and you do yours.
As far as time for vehicle checks are concerned, the problems start when you get stopped either in a VOSA checkpoint or because something has gone wrong with the vehicle and you can’t say everything was al-right when you started the shift because the tachograph chart/card shows that you didn’t do any vehicle checks, so it’s in the drivers own interests to show some time on the chart/card for proper vehicle checks unless he/she likes the idea of getting done for driving a defective vehicle on public roads.
tachograph:
What do you mean by “flagged”, “flagged” by whom, I assume you have a transport manager who’s job it is to see that the job is done correctly and according to the operators license stipulations, so unless it involves you in some way why not let the TM do his job and you do yours.
that`s how i see it
commonrail:
tachograph:
What do you mean by “flagged”, “flagged” by whom, I assume you have a transport manager who’s job it is to see that the job is done correctly and according to the operators license stipulations, so unless it involves you in some way why not let the TM do his job and you do yours.that`s how i see it
+1 
Flagged by me when I do the tacho infringement reports Monday morning. It’s not a legal requirement but we stipulate it should be done. As I said 15mins is the recommendation but tbh as long as it shows something. 
Too many busy bodies on this job get a Hobby or something else to occupy your time
He is failing to record his work by not having his card in which im sure is an offence in Mr VOSA’s eyes. But he needs to get caught first. I believe that something will catch him out eventually so its not worth sticking him into VOSA. As for telling the TM about it, I’m quite sure he knows what is going on already and chooses to turn a blind eye. He’s obviously quite happy that the driver can get the job done without using all his 10hr drives up by the 3rd day. 
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.
Again, according to who?
Happydaze:
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.Again, according to who?
There’s a bit more sense to this one, though it’s not literally true either. In any week where you’ve done any EU rules driving at all, you’re supposed to record all your work, and the only ways to do this are via a tachograph (including manual entries on discs / printouts). (Or a domestic log book, if you’ve done that sort of stuff).
I suffered a suspension period this time last year after an audit on time sheets and tachograph. The odd fifteen minutes here and there. Try explaining that to the wife!
For example: Card out at 17.37. Book until 18.00. 23 minutes going to pay parking fee/hand in paperwork/whats on for tomorrow/ taking card to office to download etc.
So now it card in at .00, .15, .30, .45 and out at the same to keep everything totally straight.
wilbur:
Happydaze:
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.Again, according to who?
There’s a bit more sense to this one, though it’s not literally true either. In any week where you’ve done any EU rules driving at all, you’re supposed to record all your work, and the only ways to do this are via a tachograph (including manual entries on discs / printouts). (Or a domestic log book, if you’ve done that sort of stuff).
More sense? I think he meant if your timesheet says 6am daily checks(as per company policy if you have one) 6.15 leave depot and your tacho registers drive at 6am something doesnt add up. Get stopped 10 miles down the road with a bulb out, your mate the next day and before you know it all your vehicles are getting pulled. OCR score becomes red, lorry taken off the licence, driver laid off etc etc.
I think the problem with this post was the OP. He asked if it was legal, knowing full well it isn’t, simply by reading the thread title. That made him sound like a grass. The only person with a problem is the one who puts his card in at the gatehouse. Not other drivers, not the manager, not until said driver gets pulled for no lights or a slack tyre, there is no time showing for a daily check, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the security gate logged him in at 6am or whatever.
460MC:
Too many busy bodies on this job get a Hobby or something else to occupy your time
You aint wrong mate. If its not enough to worry about your own hours they’re now worrying about everyone elses.
It is of course up to the driver and if he wants to do it then as long as you do your job right then that should be that.
I worked for a guy a few years ago who used to insist I put mine in at the gate so I could run over 15 hours instead of running it fine at the end of the day if need be and after many discussions I just carried on doing my manual entries unbeknown to him…until a vosa officer popped in as we were having something done on the O license and he wanted tacho records and timesheet to see if they matched He got a friendly bit of advice and that was to stick it in first thing or make manual entries as he was not showing a record of work. He said he would pop back to check up on him but he never did, however the supervisor(running our operation) then called us all in saying we must all do this and not do what he said before. But we had ignored him anyway and as it was his was the only timesheet picked up for not matching his tacho records. No harm done in the end as he must of been a decent guy but some vosa officers could see it as easy money if/when caught.
Let him get on with it. He’s the one facing a fine of up to £2,500 and a prison term for creating false records, not you.
Happydaze:
beanie:
Totally illegal! Timesheet MUST match tacho.Again, according to who?
Possibly according to the man with the pink chalk, the same bloke that counts how many turns you have done on your winding handle.
If I were the TM knowing that the coupling was causing him to run over his nine hours I would get someone else to couple up,especially if it meant a drop getting done or not, he could then do his walkround for x amount of minutes and drive out the gate …sorted!!!
C-Kay:
As long as you’re running within the rules, what’s the problem?
As above do what you let others do the same