how many drivers have found out they have not completed all their modules when passing their tests, only to find out later
at a recent dcpc course our trainer was telling us that quite a few people had found this out when their details where entered onto the DSA data base after completing training.
this happened to my son the other week after doing 7 hrs with me as he got his licence in the army about 2 yrs ago. he has since left but wanted to try and get into driving, so i thought come to our dcpc which was on tacho’s to get up to speed.
only to receive a letter from DSA to say the training was invalid because he had not completed all his modules, even though he has entitlements for C on his licence.
has this happened to anyone else on here who have already been driving but only found out they should not have, after their details were sent to the DSA.
he now has to find nearly £200 to complete the missing modules, and as he is only in a low paid part time job i think its going to be a case of help dad please.
so the question is have you found out after completing your dcpc and what did your company say■■?
and if you had done all the training in one go i.e. 35 hrs straight off how upset would you be to find they are invalid
If the center doing the DCPC training is authorised, how can modules done at a training center not be valid unless it turns out they weren’t done properly and they were recinded as happened with one training company?
The driver passed thier first LGV test (no free C1 pre 1997) after 09/09/2009 in the forces
The forces do not need dcpc so did not put the driver through the initial driver cpc modules 2 and 4
Any periodic dcpc training cannot count unless the driver either has aquired/grandfather rights or has passed initial so when that driver does any periodic it will not get put on the DVLA database - the system will not allow it
The dcpc trainer needs to be pretty savvy when checking the licences (if they check them at all) to note what is on that licence and whether the driver has aquired rights or should have a DQC from passing the initial dcpc tests
I called the forces LGV training at Leckonsfield about this a month ago and they were unaware of this dcpc issue but said they would put a bulletin about it to all the other forces LGV training establishments … dunno if they have or not
Quite a few forces drivers who do agency work whilst still in service need the initial dcpc and do not have it nor are they aware that they should have it for civvy driving !!
wildfire:
how many drivers have found out they have not completed all their modules when passing their tests, only to find out later
at a recent dcpc course our trainer was telling us that quite a few people had found this out when their details where entered onto the DSA data base after completing training.
this happened to my son the other week after doing 7 hrs with me as he got his licence in the army about 2 yrs ago. he has since left but wanted to try and get into driving, so i thought come to our dcpc which was on tacho’s to get up to speed.
only to receive a letter from DSA to say the training was invalid because he had not completed all his modules, even though he has entitlements for C on his licence.
has this happened to anyone else on here who have already been driving but only found out they should not have, after their details were sent to the DSA.
he now has to find nearly £200 to complete the missing modules, and as he is only in a low paid part time job i think its going to be a case of help dad please.
so the question is have you found out after completing your dcpc and what did your company say■■?
and if you had done all the training in one go i.e. 35 hrs straight off how upset would you be to find they are invalid
Licences gained in the Forces are exempt from DCPC until they wish to drive as a civilian job, once you leave the Armed Forces you need to do Module 2 and 4. Also Armed Forces can have provisional entitlement for both C and C+E on their licence before taking any training where as us mere mortals have to pass C send off licence, wait for it to come back and then start C+E training where people in the Forces can do them back to back (pass C on a Friday start C+E on the Monday).
Also they don’t have to use Tachos and very few know how to even dog on because it’s all done for them. Ask any trainer or examiner and they will tell you that the test they take a mickey mouse at best.
I dare say the pass rate at a military base (such as Chillwell in Nottingham) will be passing twice as many as Watnall Test Center.
My mate did his test in the Army at Chillwell Barracks and went over a kerb and rolled back on the hill start and STILL passed!
NewLad:
Ask any trainer or examiner and they will tell you that the test they take a mickey mouse at best.
I dare say the pass rate at a military base (such as Chillwell in Nottingham) will be passing twice as many as Watnall Test Center.
I’m a qualified DLAI (Defence Licence Acquisition Instructor) in the Army and quite frankly that statement is a load of ■■■■.
When instructing, we’re not driven by targets or paid by the hour. The average course length is different for every trainee, we’re not constrained to how much time is available. The trainee will stay on driver training until he is ready for test, this could be a matter of days or weeks.
We’re qualified on the DSA Voluntary register and the practical test is EXACTLY the same as a civilian trainee will do. The DDE (Defence Driving Examiner) holds the same qualification as his civilian counterpart, the only difference being is the test is marked on a MoD Form.
Soldiers respond and adapt to any training envirnoment / teaching techniques very differently from civiilans. I think you will find this is why the pass mark may be higher at Chillwell than Watsnal. The only disadvantage a military driver has is that once he passes the test, he might not get that much experience of driving large vehicles. This obviously depends on operational circumstances and the individuals primary trade.
If the center doing the DCPC training is authorised, how can modules done at a training center not be valid unless it turns out they weren’t done properly and they were recinded as happened with one training company?
it doesn’t matter if the training centre is top of their game if you ain’t passed mod 2 and 4 your dcpc training is invalid, and there are drivers out there driving who haven’t pass it, because they have been caught out when they have done their first part of training
NewLad:
Ask any trainer or examiner and they will tell you that the test they take a mickey mouse at best.
I dare say the pass rate at a military base (such as Chillwell in Nottingham) will be passing twice as many as Watnall Test Center.
I’m a qualified DLAI (Defence Licence Acquisition Instructor) in the Army and quite frankly that statement is a load of [zb].
When instructing, we’re not driven by targets or paid by the hour. The average course length is different for every trainee, we’re not constrained to how much time is available. The trainee will stay on driver training until he is ready for test, this could be a matter of days or weeks.
We’re qualified on the DSA Voluntary register and the practical test is EXACTLY the same as a civilian trainee will do. The DDE (Defence Driving Examiner) holds the same qualification as his civilian counterpart, the only difference being is the test is marked on a MoD Form.
Soldiers respond and adapt to any training envirnoment / teaching techniques very differently from civiilans. I think you will find this is why the pass mark may be higher at Chillwell than Watsnal. The only disadvantage a military driver has is that once he passes the test, he might not get that much experience of driving large vehicles. This obviously depends on operational circumstances and the individuals primary trade.
I am sorry if I am wrong and I will eat humble pie!
I was going off what my trainer and an examiner said to me regarding Military Tests.
What I don’t understand is why the country wastes money on different trainers and examiners for military licences if they are all set the same standards to pass. I know you won’t be able to comment on individual test but why did my mate pass when he mounted a kerb and rolled back on a hill? Also what I don’t understand is your statement about the pass rate being higher for military personnel because they are better at being trained. I agree that they are better when being told what to do and given orders because of the discipline that is involved with being in the forces. What I don’t agree with is that they are more likely to pass because of it, I funded my own licence and for every retest it was going to cost £250 which is 4 days work for me after tax, I also had to wait a week before I could go in for it again, where as military personnel don’t have to pay a penny towards their training so the incentive to pass isn’t there. Also if they fail on the Friday they can be there again on the Saturday taking it again.
Every time I fail a test I’m taking money out of my family income, that is the biggest incentive to pass (although it also creates pressure).
I know that many companies and agency’s don’t accept military driving as experience.
Where do I stand then? I passed my class 2 in 2004. No modules as that money making scam wasn’t thought up by then.
2012 I passed my class 1, no theory or modules, test and away.
Done 14 hours DCPC (with certificates) and have never done modules 2 or 4. Not even with my coach licence in 2009 did I do any modules. Am I legal, I know come 2013 and 2014 I’ll need my DCPC for PCV and LGV and that’s all in hand. But now I’m a little worried.
C10HOO:
Where do I stand then? I passed my class 2 in 2004. No modules as that money making scam wasn’t thought up by then.
2012 I passed my class 1, no theory or modules, test and away.
Done 14 hours DCPC (with certificates) and have never done modules 2 or 4. Not even with my coach licence in 2009 did I do any modules. Am I legal, I know come 2013 and 2014 I’ll need my DCPC for PCV and LGV and that’s all in hand. But now I’m a little worried.
My guess would be that you have acquired rights like anyone else who passed their C before this money making cash cow was thought up in 2009
C10HOO:
Where do I stand then? I passed my class 2 in 2004. No modules as that money making scam wasn’t thought up by then.
2012 I passed my class 1, no theory or modules, test and away.
Done 14 hours DCPC (with certificates) and have never done modules 2 or 4. Not even with my coach licence in 2009 did I do any modules. Am I legal, I know come 2013 and 2014 I’ll need my DCPC for PCV and LGV and that’s all in hand. But now I’m a little worried.
if you have done 14 hrs and have NOT had a letter from the DSA you are ok, if you weren’t the system would automatically send you a letter
franklin:
I’m a qualified DLAI (Defence Licence Acquisition Instructor) in the Army
Perhaps you can answer a question for me please
Are those forces drivers informed that if they obtained their first LGV licence after 09/09/2009 that when they go into any commercial civvy LGV driving they will be under the DCPC system and will be required to pass the LGV dcpc initial modules before being allowed to legally do so?
The insetive for military personal is if driving is your primary roll and your still in training and you fail to many times you get a interveiw and ether change trade or get kicked out loads more people to replace them thats the insentive.
NewLad:
Ask any trainer or examiner and they will tell you that the test they take a mickey mouse at best.
I dare say the pass rate at a military base (such as Chillwell in Nottingham) will be passing twice as many as Watnall Test Center.
I’m a qualified DLAI (Defence Licence Acquisition Instructor) in the Army and quite frankly that statement is a load of [zb].
When instructing, we’re not driven by targets or paid by the hour. The average course length is different for every trainee, we’re not constrained to how much time is available. The trainee will stay on driver training until he is ready for test, this could be a matter of days or weeks.
My friend is an instructor at Leconfield and I did my Cat C there.
There is a limit to how long they get. If they don’t pass within a certain number of weeks/attempts, they are RTU’d.
Also the military took advantage of a loophole in plating so that they could put people through Cat C in 7.5 tonners, the loophole being that by effectively just changing the tyres you can up the plated weight to 12 tonnes taking it into Cat C.
Conor:
Also the military took advantage of a loophole in plating so that they could put people through Cat C in 7.5 tonners, the loophole being that by effectively just changing the tyres you can up the plated weight to 12 tonnes taking it into Cat C.
Hi Conor,
Are you saying that “just” changing the tyres is all that’s needed to uprate a 7.5t GVW vehicle to 12t GVW?
Wouldn’t some work on the suspension and braking systems be needed to take account of the considerable increase in payload??
I’d be interested to read the views of an LGV mechanic, or a military LGV instructor on this idea.
Besides that, I believe that a vehicle presented for a Cat “C” driving test needs a minimum of 8 forward gears, and certain length/width criteria, unless the military have an exemption for this■■?
I’d be interested to read the views of an LGV mechanic, or a military LGV instructor on this idea.