First gets all Vehicle of Public Transport banned from useing Diesel or Benzin from 2022. (Only Electricity allowed)
Then 75% of overland Coaches and 50% of HGVs till 2029 on Electricity.
From 2015 no selling of Benzin or diesel powered Vehicles. (Car and Van perhaps)
That seems ok if its only for driving in their country…but visitors wont go there if they have a diesel or petrol car…and i would assume the country would have enough charging points too, but if their vehicles go into the rest of europe, dont expect to see many charging points…they havnt got their act together yet…they promote electric vehicles, but havnt got the infrastructure…fun and games i would assume.
A bit like the SNP.Let’s stop everyone using diesel and petrol at home on a bs green crusade while at the same time exporting the country’s oil resources to be used by others. 
Its 6 years away yet and no doubt charging points will be made available. Only a matter of time before electric power is made more commercially available. Electric motors have huge torque available from zero revs, will be totally quiet and no doubt much nicer to drive, no clutch or gearbox just a cvt transmission and with the drive train at least will require very little maintenance.
And having the need to charge up every 30 miles or so unless battery technology comes on very rapidly …
AndrewG:
Only a matter of time before electric power is made more commercially available. Electric motors have huge torque available from zero revs, will be totally quiet and no doubt much nicer to drive, no clutch or gearbox just a cvt transmission and with the drive train at least will require very little maintenance.
Feel free to put some figures there to back the rhetoric.IE inconvenient numbers like comparative power output v IC engines,range,unladen weight and purchase and maintenance costs and how you’re going to supply the required amounts of electricity and the costs of same including a like with like taxation regime comparison.On that note I’m guessing that you don’t use electricity rather than good old fashioned fossil fuels like gas to heat your home and domestic water supply.Why is that ?.As for transmissions we already have plenty of auto box options for drivers who can’t handle a clutch and gearshift lever.
Immigrant:
First gets all Vehicle of Public Transport banned from useing Diesel or Benzin from 2022. (Only Electricity allowed)
Then 75% of overland Coaches and 50% of HGVs till 2029 on Electricity.
From 2015 no selling of Benzin or diesel powered Vehicles. (Car and Van perhaps)
Where did you read that? Please provide a source. Sounds like some crap “Miljøpartiet De Grønne” / “Green Party” (a green political party) would push, but they only had 2.8% of the votes last election, so would not worry about it.
cissa:
Immigrant:
First gets all Vehicle of Public Transport banned from useing Diesel or Benzin from 2022. (Only Electricity allowed)
Then 75% of overland Coaches and 50% of HGVs till 2029 on Electricity.
From 2015 no selling of Benzin or diesel powered Vehicles. (Car and Van perhaps)Where did you read that? Please provide a source. Sounds like some crap “Miljøpartiet De Grønne” / “Green Party” (a green political party) would push, but they only had 2.8% of the votes last election, so would not worry about it.
Meanwhile the other 97.2% get on with burning all that oil they’ve got. 
Seems about right!
Carryfast:
AndrewG:
Only a matter of time before electric power is made more commercially available. Electric motors have huge torque available from zero revs, will be totally quiet and no doubt much nicer to drive, no clutch or gearbox just a cvt transmission and with the drive train at least will require very little maintenance.Feel free to put some figures there to back the rhetoric.IE inconvenient numbers like comparative power output v IC engines,range,unladen weight and purchase and maintenance costs and how you’re going to supply the required amounts of electricity and the costs of same including a like with like taxation regime comparison.On that note I’m guessing that you don’t use electricity rather than good old fashioned fossil fuels like gas to heat your home and domestic water supply.Why is that ?.As for transmissions we already have plenty of auto box options for drivers who can’t handle a clutch and gearshift lever.
Its possible the first trucks will be hybrid like many cars are now. I cant put up figures to back the ‘rhetoric’ but fossil fuels are a finite commodity and to cut pollution different ways to power a truck will come our way, thats a certainty. What is fact though is that the traction type motors fitted to electric vehicles are by far more torquier at low revs than the IC versions of the same model.
As for heating my home a solar powered heat pump and PV panels supply all the electricity and hot water ever needed.
Nothings set in stone but the diesel engine (whether its 10years or 30 years away ) will at some point be obsolete. If a viable alternative with range (the power is already there) is available then that surely can only be a good thing.
Taxation wont be a problem as once electric becomes the norm the classes can just go back to gross weight and axle numbers.
Re clutch and gearshift with electric power this is by its very nature made redundant. Savings on tyre wear and the braking system (large alternators will kick in to recharge batteries and at the same time provide braking) are another benefit. If it makes for a smooth powerful truck with very little noise and is simple to drive whats not to like?
AndrewG:
Its possible the first trucks will be hybrid like many cars are now. I cant put up figures to back the ‘rhetoric’ but fossil fuels are a finite commodity and to cut pollution different ways to power a truck will come our way, thats a certainty. What is fact though is that the traction type motors fitted to electric vehicles are by far more torquier at low revs than the IC versions of the same model.
As for heating my home a solar powered heat pump and PV panels supply all the electricity and hot water ever needed.
Nothings set in stone but the diesel engine (whether its 10years or 30 years away ) will at some point be obsolete. If a viable alternative with range (the power is already there) is available then that surely can only be a good thing.
Taxation wont be a problem as once electric becomes the norm the classes can just go back to gross weight and axle numbers.
Re clutch and gearshift with electric power this is by its very nature made redundant. Savings on tyre wear and the braking system (large alternators will kick in to recharge batteries and at the same time provide braking) are another benefit. If it makes for a smooth powerful truck with very little noise and is simple to drive whats not to like?
Firstly if fossil fuels are supposedly a finite commodity then there’s not much point in investing loads of money in civil aviation expansion.While the question of if and when they do run out won’t be problem at least for many generations to need to worry about yet.
As for hybrids as I said you’ve effectively got an engine which isn’t powerful enough to run the vehicle without massive and heavy battery back up and using the battery power is subject to limited range.While using the engine to charge the batteries reduces its already compromised output to drive the vehicle even more in that regard.That’s in addition to all the extra costs of a combined ICE and electric power and driveline set up.
Which then leaves all the inconvenient questions regarding all electric vehicles whether powered by battery stored electricity or other supply method.IE costs weight and taxation.
As for electric motors yes they provide torque at low speed but the question remains ‘how much’ torque compared to a proper IC engine,at what cost and what weight,on a like with like basis.On that note you’ve obviously chosen not to heat your home with mains electricity and a solar powered heat pump etc isn’t going to provide the electricity needed to power a 44 tonne electric truck.
Norway plans to be carbon neutral by 2050. Launch $1 billion bike highway project
n alcohol based alternative not viable for aviation us as they do in Brazil for taxis etc
kyk:
Norway plans to be carbon neutral by 2050. Launch $1 billion bike highway project
Or to put it another way putting Norwegians on bicycles so they can export even more oil to China. 
Carryfast:
As for electric motors yes they provide torque at low speed but the question remains ‘how much’ torque compared to a proper IC engine,at what cost and what weight,on a like with like basis.On that note you’ve obviously chosen not to heat your home with mains electricity and a solar powered heat pump etc isn’t going to provide the electricity needed to power a 44 tonne electric truck.
You can’t compare petrol engines on a “like for like” basis never mind electric v petrol, it all depends on what the engine is tuned for.
A Mitsubishi Evo can make 400hp & 355lb-ft torque from a 2 litre engine, in comparison Fords ecoboost 2 litre produces around 240 & around 250lb-ft.
How much torque with either depends on how it’s designed, the major problem with electric power is range & weight of battery pack… in pure performance terms electric wins, check out the Tesla S with a 0-60 time of 2.8 secs. All the torque from the Tesla is available instantly which is not the case with an IC engine.
Trains are nothing new.
How clean is electric though? Hydro is relativly clean, coal and nuclear isnt. I imagine norway has also wind and tidal turbines.
Melchett:
Carryfast:
As for electric motors yes they provide torque at low speed but the question remains ‘how much’ torque compared to a proper IC engine,at what cost and what weight,on a like with like basis.On that note you’ve obviously chosen not to heat your home with mains electricity and a solar powered heat pump etc isn’t going to provide the electricity needed to power a 44 tonne electric truck.You can’t compare petrol engines on a “like for like” basis never mind electric v petrol, it all depends on what the engine is tuned for.
A Mitsubishi Evo can make 400hp & 355lb-ft torque from a 2 litre engine, in comparison Fords ecoboost 2 litre produces around 240 & around 250lb-ft.
How much torque with either depends on how it’s designed, the major problem with electric power is range & weight of battery pack… in pure performance terms electric wins, check out the Tesla S with a 0-60 time of 2.8 secs. All the torque from the Tesla is available instantly which is not the case with an IC engine.
We’ve already got the like with like figure to go by in the form of around the at least 1,500 lb/ft + at the crankshaft provided by the truck engine.The major problem with electric being that electric motors get bleedin heavy ( and costly ) disproportionately with increase in torque output requirement,added to the weight of the batteries.On that note good luck with the idea of thinking that you’ll be able to make a 44 tonne truck work without a gearbox using electric motor torque alone let alone provide it with a usable unladen weight or an affordable purchase price.
As for the Tesla a battery capacity of around 80 kwh isn’t exactly going to get it far at autobahn type speeds or a good blast over the alps.In addition to the cost of recharges at road fuel rates of taxation which will inevitably have to apply if the idea kicks off in a big way and at best electricity prices based on the combination of nuclear and renewable electric generation which the Green loons are all about.In which case I’d doubt if the buyers of AMG Mercs or BMW M5’s etc etc are all rushing to trade in their cars for an electric toy just yet.
Carryfast:
We’ve already got the like with like figure to go by in the form of around the at least 1,500 lb/ft + at the crankshaft provided by the truck engine.The major problem with electric being that electric motors get bleedin heavy ( and costly ) disproportionately with increase in torque output requirement,added to the weight of the batteries.
Modern induction motors are quite easily able to deliver whatever torque/power is needed, they don’t weigh any more than a conventional engine/gearbox & have less moving parts requiring less servicing. The only restriction is the current battery technology which carries range & weight restrictions, the motors aren’t a problem.
When oil companies decide that battery technology is the way to go expect to see massive advances but don’t hold your breath!
Melchett:
Modern induction motors are quite easily able to deliver whatever torque/power is needed, they don’t weigh any more than a conventional engine/gearbox & have less moving parts requiring less servicing. The only restriction is the current battery technology which carries range & weight restrictions, the motors aren’t a problem.
Even assuming they’ve cracked the electric motor weight issue which seems to be the case here. 
The stated 1.2 tonnes of batteries just for an 18 tonner probably explains why they chose not to make it a more realistic test of equal max weight drawbars as opposed to what seems like a rigged apples v oranges 18 tonner v 26 tonner comparison ?.
youtube.com/watch?v=bvwKCiApb1o
Meanwhile this seems more realistic.With a description of it needing two electric motors ‘and’ the usual gearbox and 5,000 lbs of batteries and loads of other complication just to power a yard shunter.While it takes 2-4 hours to charge it enough for around 60-140 miles.Although no stated purchase price. 
Carryfast:
Even assuming they’ve cracked the electric motor weight issue which seems to be the case here.
As I keep saying, motors aren’t the problem…battery technology is. Until a 500-1000 mile range is possible then all electric isn’t a viable option for trucks.
This, however, might be… gov.uk/government/news/off- … technology