dukeofdirt:
spoke to my sister today shes in the plod told her about my crappy day she asked a traffic plod at work and he said it’ll be ok so long as i get the print out signed by my gaffer.
what good would this do?
No good at all. The traffic plod your sister spoke to is a trumpet.
Printouts to explain deviations to the rules due to unforeseen circumstances are signed by the driver, not the gaffer. This doesn’t apply in your case as the unforeseen bit doesn’t come into your situation as you chose to plough on to the drop even though you knew it would take you over. You[zb]'d up and all you can do is hope your tacho records are not checked for the next 6 months.
msgyorkie:
Pull your card out if getting messed about on RDC and you are gunna be parked up outside when finished.
However if I was you Id send the digicard back as faulty (ill leave it to you as to why or how its faulty)
Good idea, it’s not like the data is stored on the VU is it?
It is on the VU so lets say a driver drops his card in RDC and then drives outside 2 hours after his 15 hour spread and then parks up for his 9 hours off. Only 7 hours later he decides to drive on to the services a few miles away without a card to finish his 9 hours off. Would this be picked up by the firm when they get the VU info or is that info sent on to the same place as tacho details are? Do VOSA check this to marry up with drivers cards in an audit?
All hypothetical questions of course
It’s pointless, otherwise known as falsification, and a much worse idea than leaving your card in and doing a printout to explain the unforeseen hold up.
It’s pointless, otherwise known as falsification, and a much worse idea than leaving your card in and doing a printout to explain the unforeseen hold up.
So if they did, how much trouble would a driver be in?
It’s pointless, otherwise known as falsification, and a much worse idea than leaving your card in and doing a printout to explain the unforeseen hold up.
So if they did, how much trouble would a driver be in?
Level 5 offence, maximum fine of £5000 and/or two years in prison.
It is never a good idea to remove the card, if you are going to go over just record it as the penalties are much less than for falsification.
if you get back to your yard and your well within dive time etc and breaks and you pull your card at the end of your shift…if you were then asked to move the unit and put it under another trailer the other side of the yard…would oyu put your card back in or just move it round the yard with nocard in■■?
clarkyboy:
if you get back to your yard and your well within dive time etc and breaks and you pull your card at the end of your shift…if you were then asked to move the unit and put it under another trailer the other side of the yard…would oyu put your card back in or just move it round the yard with nocard in■■?
Probably just move it. Our units get moved in the yard all the time with no card in, just about every shift which starts from the yard the first thing I see on the tacho is “driving without card” on the display.
Although i know there’s a lot to think about as a newbie, that much over is well out of order.
A bit over 9 hrs, even if you’ve no 10’s left, not so bad, but over 10 is naughty.
Once did 10.05 on analogue myself & had to sign off the infringement.
Lucy I’m suprised you find so little difference in recorded time between analogue & digital.
At P & O Ferrymasters I was used to analogue. However one time when they were a bit quiet for a while, I did some driving for another company doing exactly the same type of work: general haulage out of & into ports, 1 - 5 trailer changes a day. I found the digitach to record more than an hour per day of extra driving time.
I use a kitchen timer, so had something to reference to.
I’d say that the fact the government see fit to allow drivers on multi-drop with digitachs some leeway as a total admission that they are less than perfect.
I use a kitchen timer, so had something to reference to.
There’s your problem. When we were all using kitchen timers, we’d start and stop them between movements of the wheels, rather than when we actually stopped driving. In other words, we cheated a bit, and now we can’t get away with it.
You do, admittedly, lose a bit more on multidrop - we had a job doing 10-12 drops a day when they first came out - but again you can halve that by learning how to use the equipment to your own advantage, as detailed above. Just takes practise.
ON tacho time difference,when i was in analogue i could get to radstock (bath) and back in a day with no infringements on the analysis yet on digi i strugle to do it in a 10
It’s too late at night for me to do the whole ‘this is how a digital tacho works and records data, thing.’ Suffice to say some have got it basically correct, although it isn’t ‘any movement in a minute.’ It is signals have to be received at the VU from the motion sensor at the rate of at least 1 impulse per second for at least 5 (continuous) seconds. If the vehicle moves for 3 seconds then stops for 2 seconds then moves for 4 seconds and then stops again the VU will still call it ‘stationary.’ If the vehicle moves for the last 4 seconds of a calendar minute and the first 4 seconds of the next minute the VU will still record ‘stationary,’ because it hasn’t got to the magic 5 seconds in the calendar minute.
Digital tachos do not add minutes together. What they do is assign whole calendar minutes to one activity, for example;
12:00 driving
12:01 driving
12:02 driving
12:03 work
12:04 work
12:05 driving etc etc
Last false record case I was involved in was where the driver decided to plead not guilty. The court found him guilty and fined him £450 plus £15 victim surcharge and £2500 costs. That was on top of his defence costs which must have been considerable as he had an ‘expert witness’ and a barrister. He will be going to see the TC soon, guess the conversation won’t revolve around how amny custard creams he’d like.
waynedl:
…I’d also done over an hours driving Thursday in the queue for the Dartford Tunnel when I’d only come off break 55mins before… How the hell could I have drove more minutes than exist?
You can’t, your tacho must be defective best get it looked at.
Snudger:
So as soon as I stopped I pressed the button to see how much driving had been done and, in all absolute seriousness, I saw it change from 4 hours 29 minutes driving to 4 hours 31 minutes, as I was stopped
It will never jump two minutes on the display in one go, your tacho is faulty.
I swear this happened and believed it to be a “feature” of digitachs in the precise situation that caused it. It is of course erroneous to do this but I am going to try to recreate the situation to prove it can happen. It should be a simple matter of stopping just before the clock ticks over a minute, then pressing the button (whilst it thinks you are still moving - the circle symbol showing)
It can show 4:29 when you stop and a couple of minutes later show 4:31 but it will go 4:29 - 4:30 - 4:31, it will not go from 4:29 - 4:31.
I have reproduced the “feature” that adds 2 minutes driving when you are stopped. Quite simple really and I believe it applies to all Siemens tachos (which are the best IMO) at least, this time on a Volvo rebadge. The slow snow traffic meant I was given the opportunity of some stop/start driving so not quite what I originally experienced, I admit, but in the following particular scenario I saw it clock up 2 minutes driving when I was stopped, dammit!
For, I was stopped in traffic, even took the keys out of the ignition to prove something (which must mean I wasn’t driving if all you have to do is to put the keys in to be considered as driving for legal purposes (so I believe)), and after > 1 minute saw 1 minute of cross-hammers on the display. Then, after a short while, started driving for several seconds, stopped, pressed the display and saw it add 2 minutes driving, when stopped! I believe this can be proven by anyone doing similar actions.
What is particularly annoying about this is, to preserve driving time, and I was definitely not driving, though perhaps technically in charge of a vehicle on the highway, I made sure I didn’t drive for well over a minute (and saw it displayed as another activity) only for the ■■■■ thing to cheat and change its mind.
