ROG:
I have a much more relaxed system.
Stop at red light (stopping at other colours when the road is clear tends to confuse other road users for some reason 
) apply handbrake, if likely to be for mare than 2 seconds, into neutral, feet off all pedals , hands off wheel - relax BUT keep all round observations going.
If last in queue keep eye on rear view in case anyone approaching from behind is not responding as I would like - maybe apply footbrake if concerned just as an extra warning.
If first in queue then I still have time when light goes to red/amber to select gear and check left mirror at the same time then go to hand brake and check right mirror at same time - head forward & move off - lights have been green for half a second approx.
No point in checking rearview mirror as I am not going backwards - I just need to know if anything is coming along sides
I teach the same for the advanced.
Wheres your over the shoulder look ROG 
I thought it was called a āparking brakeā.
In my lorry, I donāt use the handbrake unless Iām going to be stopped for a while and Iām going to have at least a few seconds notice before I need to move forward. Reason being, my auto gearbox is crap in my lorry (hence the signature!), and itāll try to start off in 4th gear. Combine that with the three second delay on the handbrake, if you release the handbrake and press the throttle it will just stall. If you release the handbrake, wait a few seconds for the brake to release then press the gas, itāll roll back a little because thereās a split second delay before the engine and gearbox decide to get moving. Therefore itās much easier and safer (in the sense that you can divert your attention to more important things) to hold it on the footbrake then quickly hit the throttle.
Warning: pedantic mode alertā¦
Regards disks warping due to holding on the brakes, itās a very good point. I believe though that the physics which cause the warping are actually to do with particle transfer from the pad to the hot disk. If you remove an affected disk, youāll see the outline of the pad. This is a raised area (by a microscopic amount) which has more friction than the rest of the disk due to the pad material becoming embedded into it which gives the jerky brake feeling as if the disks were warped. Iāve been told that actual warping doesnāt really occur on public road vehicles as thereās not enough heat to facilitate it - itās more of a problem on high performance F1 cars where the brakes regularly reach red heat. Either way a good idea not to hold on the footbrake after stopping from speed if youāre going to be paying for the brakes, although I think cars a generally more susceptable to this than trucks.
ā¦pedantic mode over 
ROG:
āā¦As long as the brake lights are not blazing into the eyes of the driver waiting behindā¦ā
If Iām the dude behind getting a facefull of red brake-lights whilst stationary for ages then itāll sometimes earn them my main-beam if Iām in the car - of course ensuring that no other road-users are unduly āreminded of my presenceā: Being higher up in a lorry it is rarely as intrusive.
Itās fair to suggest however that it usually has zero effect but helps me feel warm in the carbon-emission fest of not movingā¦
toby1234abc:
āā¦We always see brake lights on,handbrake not been used,while stationary at traffic lightsā¦ā
It reminds me of grovelling through London one Friday teatime. I was averaging about 1 mph and, albeit with poor-awareness and dazed & dreamy doziness, had my hand almost permanently on the handbrake.
When an exciting moment of a clear highway ahead emerged, I needed to change up from my take-off gear, 3rd into 4th but inadvertently āchangedā gear with the handbrake.
I havenāt done it sinceā¦
nick2008:
ROG:
I have a much more relaxed system.
Stop at red light (stopping at other colours when the road is clear tends to confuse other road users for some reason ) apply handbrake, if likely to be for mare than 2 seconds, into neutral, feet off all pedals , hands off wheel - relax BUT keep all round observations going.
If last in queue keep eye on rear view in case anyone approaching from behind is not responding as I would like - maybe apply footbrake if concerned just as an extra warning.
If first in queue then I still have time when light goes to red/amber to select gear and check left mirror at the same time then go to hand brake and check right mirror at same time - head forward & move off - lights have been green for half a second approx.nture
No point in checking rearview mirror as I am not going backwards - I just need to know if anything is coming along sides
I teach the same for the advanced.
Wheres your over the shoulder look ROG
I was wondering about the point heād not noted a final blind spot check, I was going to let it pass, but glad you picked up on it too nick
We could be advanced driving observer observers if you fancy it Iām up for starting a new venture 
I was told that if you are first in the queue you should be in first gear ready to move away, keeps the traffic flowing, how many times have you been behind a car whose driver waits for the lights to go green before putting it into first then off with the handbrake? 
Obviously the handbrake would be on if you were sitting on an uphill slope.
Hectors-dad:
I was told that if you are first in the queue you should be in first gear ready to move away, keeps the traffic flowing, how many times have you been behind a car whose driver waits for the lights to go green before putting it into first then off with the handbrake? Obviously the handbrake would be on if you were sitting on an uphill slope.
Using my system the GO is about half a second after the light has turned to green.
garnerlives:
I was wondering about the point heād not noted a final blind spot check, I was going to let it pass, but glad you picked up on it too nick
No need if all-round observations are kept up whilst waiting. Itās one of those differences between DSA and advanced - would fail not doing one on a DSA test as they look for āproceduresā but on the advanced the examiner looks to see if obs are kept up whilst waiting so it becomes unnecessary.
garnerlives:
We could be advanced driving observer observers if you fancy it Iām up for starting a new venture
Would not be a very profitable one as itās UNPAID
Fog lights have a higher intensity than brake lights
As Buck said both are 21 watt. Occasionally the reflectors can be different making them appear brighter.
In trucks its not such a problem, but when car driving, people who sit with their foot on the brake & therefor the brake lights AND high level brake light at eye level are bloody rude and inconsiderate. The problem is much worse when its dark & wet. Should be booked for driving without due consideration for other road users.
I bet some of you who say you practise this incorrect driving procedure are some of the first to moan about drivers switching on their high intensity rear fog lights at the 1st sign of a shower of rain or whisp of mist.
