Ok I hear what you are saying but it’s not how I work and have ever worked. I would have just confirmed by text or verbally I am in the next day. Saves any ■■■■ ups and need for contracts of employment
midlifetrucker:
Covered. Contracts blah blah blah.“Hello boss, just to confirm I am back in the morning.”.
How hard is that
Part of my job description, whoever I work for, will usually be to communicate as necessary with the transport office. This means that if I take the call/text/voicemail and respond, I am technically working and therefore I should not have to take the day as holiday! Its a dicky interpretation but a valid one.
Also, who owns the phone they contacted you on? If it is your phone you are free to do what you want with it when you want. If it is a company phone and you are on a day’s leave, you are perfectly within your rights, or some could say you are required, to turn it off until your next shift. After all, using company property for private purposes, (which using a company phone on a days annual leave is) is against the terms of most contracts of employment.
The question of when he was to be back at work was asked and answered when the holiday request was granted. The driver has no reason to expect he would be asked to confirm it again on the day. Especially when, without being required too he has informed the company he will be in a hospital. A place generally known to be a no-mobiles location.
As the OP is full time and presumably has a contract for a certain amount of hours for him A) to be avaialble for work and B) for the employer to provide paid work for , I would suggest that the legal failing would be “breach of contract” rather than illegal deductions of wage.
As I read it, they were not deducting from his wage, they were simply not providing work for that day, hence not providing a wage to be deducted from.
A technicality, but thats what lawyers thrive on.
I agree that the weekly pay packet outcome is the same.
Especially when, without being required too he has informed the company he will be in a hospital.
Possibly the hospital issue is the cause of the problem. It COULD be deemed reasonable for the company , after hearing nothing from him, to conclude the hospital visit had escalated into something longer term rather than a simple visit.
I am not trying to say the comany is fair (or even correct) in what they have done, just trying to point out that there are two sides to every argument.
Most companies i have worked for would simply have said, “no job for you but come in and makes yourself useful for the day”, even if it meant sweeping the yard or washing vehicles etc.
I’m a dinosaur. All this bulshy talk. No wonder firms change to agency
midlifetrucker:
I’m a dinosaur. All this bulshy talk. No wonder firms change to agency
I’m a moo cow,mooooooooo!
ckm1981:
If it’s a holiday then they know exactly when your are due back in so they should assume that unless they are told otherwise you’ll be there.
On our place if your off sick then you have to inform them by 3pm the day before if you intend to be back in the day after.
But as you said if you put in a holiday then what they did is wrong and you should still be paid,plus technically you don’t have to reply to their texts as that is classed as you working so they should reimburse your holiday day if you had of replied,technically
Are you for real? Don’t have to reply to their text as it’s classed as working and reimburse your holiday day. Lmfao pull ya big girls pants up ya bits are on show. No wonder the industry going to pot with an attitude like that
taffytrucker:
ckm1981:
If it’s a holiday then they know exactly when your are due back in so they should assume that unless they are told otherwise you’ll be there.
On our place if your off sick then you have to inform them by 3pm the day before if you intend to be back in the day after.
But as you said if you put in a holiday then what they did is wrong and you should still be paid,plus technically you don’t have to reply to their texts as that is classed as you working so they should reimburse your holiday day if you had of replied,technicallyAre you for real? Don’t have to reply to their text as it’s classed as working and reimburse your holiday day. Lmfao pull ya big girls pants up ya bits are on show. No wonder the industry going to pot with an attitude like that
If only I was a real man like yourself who clearly bends over forwards at your bosses command.
Fair comments people.
The only thing im guilty of is not returning my txt straight away.
I was in hospital at a appointment and didnt take my phone in with me.This appointment ended up being longer than planned.
What i dont understand is…if i was to txt straight back and say yes thats fine and lets say i “crashed and died on my way home” then thats out of my control.
This geezer planner was saying as i didnt contact him to reply if the time was ok (on my holiday may i add) i could of been in a ditch sum where or hurt and He said he did not want a truck parked up doing no work!!
But i have signed a holiday form stating im back that day and i could be liable trouble wise if i fail to turn in
Im 28 9 months class 2/ 2years class 1 so far.Companys moan of no younger blood coming threw…maybe it because of this sort of rubbish.They dont own you…But some try to!!
Is it really an issue if someone texts you on your day off. Really. Takes a second to read. Ten secs to reply
See, what I don’t get is why, when someone posts a thread about an issue they have with the job, it then becomes hand bags at dawn and people’s masculinity then gets questioned.
The phone call when on leave issue - if its not in your contract, then it’s a personal choice thing. But I expect, when on leave, to be uncontactable unless there is an emergency.
Routine planning matters do not constitute an emergency to me.
Sounds like the planner has a God complex. The OP needs to take this up with his boss.
I’m proud to be a cross dressing ■■■■■■■, I moisturise my hands, and I also own a shirt in hot pink.
Some people on this post are putting forward the legal aspects, and some are arguing that replying to a text isn’t too much to ask…
We have established that the OP was otherwise disposed, as is his right, he is on holiday. he is not legally obliged to do anything relating to work on his time off. The OP sounds like he has done everything he can to be reasonable and accommodate his employer. And to cut a long story short, the employer has thrown a hissy fit that the driver didn’t jump when told.
I’d suggest the OP has every right to turn up to work tomorrow (at the pre-agreed time) and expect a days pay, whether the employer has work for him or not. And I think in the eyes of the law, the employer has overstepped their authority in trying to enforce another days holiday, that wasn’t pre-agreed with the OP.
So from from a legal point, I think the OP has every right to turn up at the time that was pre-arranged and say: What do you want me to do guv?
I don’t think the employer can force an employee to take a holiday WITHOUT NOTICE, and this is probably the legal situation, as when informed of this change, the OP was already on holiday.
Or that is what I think… 
I’m not saying I would do that, as I would probably just utilize the day. But others may really need that odd day for some other time…
So the modern driver wants 20 quid an hour. No more than 8 hours a day. A vehicle no older than 1 year and it needs to be specified to their demands. A start and finish time must be accurate to within 15 minutes or a massive bonus is required. If the driver bends or scrapes the wagon or trailer it is in his contract that it was someone else’s fault and must be replaced immediately. Under no circumstances must anyone even think the drivers name when not on duty and if they do they must punish themselves with flagellation. If the driver can’t face work on any particular day he can choose to stay at home with no punishment or contact.
When driver is allocated his own vehicle it must never be used by anyone on their rest days or holidays. The company must hire an extra vehicle. As required. If a drivers sat nav doesn’t manage to show him to the toilet a member of management but take them by the hand and do any required paperwork.
At no time should the driver be stressed.
Simple
midlifetrucker:
So the modern driver wants 20 quid an hour. No more than 8 hours a day. A vehicle no older than 1 year and it needs to be specified to their demands. A start and finish time must be accurate to within 15 minutes or a massive bonus is required. If the driver bends or scrapes the wagon or trailer it is in his contract that it was someone else’s fault and must be replaced immediately. Under no circumstances must anyone even think the drivers name when not on duty and if they do they must punish themselves with flagellation. If the driver can’t face work on any particular day he can choose to stay at home with no punishment or contact.
When driver is allocated his own vehicle it must never be used by anyone on their rest days or holidays. The company must hire an extra vehicle. As required. If a drivers sat nav doesn’t manage to show him to the toilet a member of management but take them by the hand and do any required paperwork.At no time should the driver be stressed.
Simple
Are you hiring!?
If I was there would still be someone on here moaning
A question occurs.
When the planner has a day’s leave, does the TM text him in the afternoon with a start time and get in an agency office bod if he doesn’t get a reply?
Become a planner and find our
midlifetrucker:
Become a planner and find our
I couldn’t plan. I know too much about being a driver!
midlifetrucker:
‘…Is it really an issue if someone texts you on your day off. Really. Takes a second to read. Ten secs to reply…’
Thin-end of an inflatable ■■■■-plug
Some may like it - not here though…
ckm1981:
taffytrucker:
ckm1981:
If it’s a holiday then they know exactly when your are due back in so they should assume that unless they are told otherwise you’ll be there.
On our place if your off sick then you have to inform them by 3pm the day before if you intend to be back in the day after.
But as you said if you put in a holiday then what they did is wrong and you should still be paid,plus technically you don’t have to reply to their texts as that is classed as you working so they should reimburse your holiday day if you had of replied,technicallyAre you for real? Don’t have to reply to their text as it’s classed as working and reimburse your holiday day. Lmfao pull ya big girls pants up ya bits are on show. No wonder the industry going to pot with an attitude like that
If only I was a real man like yourself who clearly bends over forwards at your bosses command.
No but if I’m off for what ever reason I make sure I contact the office to see what I’m doing on my first day back or pop by and check my chicken box to see if I gotta start at 5 am or if I gotta start at 8am depending what I got to do. For the sake of a 2 min call it can save a lot of hassle and or a loss of money. If they don’t know what I’m doing then it’s ok no worries I’ll see you at 8am