No Escape For Drivers Caught Abroad

No escape for drivers caught abroad
By David Millward, Transport Correspondent

Motorists face being pursued for driving offences committed abroad under new laws, it emerged yesterday.

British motorists could, in theory, be fined for an array of offences

Even routine parking fines will be chased up under the provisions of the Road Safety Act, giving foreign authorities the right to obtain information from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency in Swansea.

The little-noticed change is due to take effect from March. It was described as a “wake up call” by a spokesman for the AA Motoring Trust.

“People have tried to get away with it, thinking this is in another country,” he told The Daily Telegraph. “It is going to come as a massive shock for people when they come home and find fines waiting for them on their doormat.”

An estimated five million motorists cross the Channel every year. They are most at risk from prosecution in France, where the government and police have pursued draconian initiatives to cut the number of road deaths.

Until now British motorists would be marched off to a cashpoint and ordered to pay a fine on the spot or let off with a warning. But things are changing and there will soon be no chance of keeping a clean licence after committing an offence on foreign soil.

A variety of options include expanding the use of agencies to collect fines and motorists being taken to court. Ultimately this could even result in bailiffs being used.

Car hire companies will pass on details of whoever signed the rental agreement and foreign authorities are certain to retain details of offenders, leading to difficulties on a later visit.

The precedent for enforcement has already been set in parking with some councils engaging British debt collection agencies to pursue fines.

Paul Watters, the head of roads policy at the trust, said details of how the scheme will work remain unclear, even though it is due to come into force within 12 weeks. “I think the DVLA will have to pass information to whoever requests it and it will be up to them to collect the money.”

Many people will be pleased, however, to find that the changes will also make it easier to deal with foreign drivers committing offences in Britain.

It is not only speeding that poses a threat – British motorists could, in theory, be fined for an array of offences.

Using cruise control in Belgium is against the law. The same motorist would be breaking French rules as soon as they crossed the border and were found to be using a speed-trap detector. In Germany a Briton could be prosecuted for overtaking a school bus letting children off and in Austria for driving without dipped headlights.

“It is vital that people learn about foreign roads legislation,” Mr Watters said.

The trust voiced concern about whether motorists could exercise their right to appeal against being convicted abroad.

Questions have also been raised about the accuracy of the DVLA database, which even the Government admitted was only 40 per cent accurate when tested last year.

Motorists will also be at risk if their number plates have been cloned and the different ways of writing down numbers abroad could lead to a miscarriage of justice.

“Things could be lost in translation,” said Edmund King, of the RAC Foundation.

“Also their penalties are not the same as ours and there is the question of access to justice. It will hardly be worth lodging an appeal in Germany – it would be too expensive.”

Insurers would expect to be told of any foreign motoring convictions.

A DVLA spokesman said the prime purpose of the changes was to ensure that cars arriving in Britain had not been stolen and that motorists were not using counterfeit licences.

He said the reciprocal rights would benefit road safety, with greater checks on foreign drivers and cars.

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Personally I am all for it…Providing of course it works the other way as well

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I fear we will get the poopy end of the stick as usual though :unamused:

well i do hope that the dutch police have been told
and their licencing office , as at present , they do not give
any information out ,about dutch vehicles and drivers, at all,
the germans do exchange details as i have been sent
fines from Holland AND Austria, so,unless every
COUNTRY does agree then it should not become legal
also ,there should be a list of offences which are reconised
so that all countrys are working on the same level of offences.

I think you’ll find the list of offences is available somewhere in each countries Road Traffic Law. It’ll be totally up to us to find out what those offences are, for each country. Then to remember which set of rules we are supposed to be abiding by.

I don’t think that they are all as easy to find, as they are in the UK either. Here you just look up the Highway Code and the Drivers Hours Rules and it’s all available for you.
It’s a big help if you can read English of course, which could be a problem for foreign drivers in the UK, because I don’t see any links to translations.
The reverse is probably true. Even if we can find the relevant rules, will we be able to read and understand them?
I know there are sites that can translate these things, but they can often be rather imprecise in their translation, leading to foul-ups. I also know that a lot of European sites have a version available in English, but those translations are sometimes rather dodgy too.

Another problem is that the French (for eg) interpret the Drivers Hours rules differently to the British, even though its the same rule book, which applies to every LGV driver within Europe.

Simon:
Another problem is that the French (for eg) interpret the Drivers Hours rules differently to the British, even though its the same rule book, which applies to every LGV driver within Europe.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Is it interpretation on their part or wishful thinking ? :smiling_imp: :laughing:

The only good things to come out of france are

WINE THE TUNNEL THE FERRIES

Harry Monk:
No escape for drivers caught abroad
Using cruise control in Belgium is against the law. The same motorist would be breaking French rules as soon as they crossed the border and were found to be using a speed-trap detector. In Germany a Briton could be prosecuted for overtaking a school bus letting children off and in Austria for driving without dipped headlights.
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Does anybody know if the Cruise Control ban covers all vehicles, cars as well.

Thanks

Don

Don Madge:

Harry Monk:
No escape for drivers caught abroad
Using cruise control in Belgium is against the law. The same motorist would be breaking French rules as soon as they crossed the border and were found to be using a speed-trap detector. In Germany a Briton could be prosecuted for overtaking a school bus letting children off and in Austria for driving without dipped headlights.
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Does anybody know if the Cruise Control ban covers all vehicles, cars as well.

Thanks

Don

It covers all vehicles, but as far as I know it isn’t a blanket ban. It’s only on certain parts of the road network, which have signs telling you where it starts. Northbound on the A?, coming into Antwerp from Brussels is one stretch.

I’m with you on that Si.

Time to get a set of false number plates methinks :wink:

I’ve got one of those trailer number plates which is invisible to speed cameras.

(Cos’ I keep it in my side locker) :sunglasses: :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

Simon:

Don Madge:

Harry Monk:
No escape for drivers caught abroad
Using cruise control in Belgium is against the law. The same motorist would be breaking French rules as soon as they crossed the border and were found to be using a speed-trap detector. In Germany a Briton could be prosecuted for overtaking a school bus letting children off and in Austria for driving without dipped headlights.
.

Does anybody know if the Cruise Control ban covers all vehicles, cars as well.

Thanks

Don

It covers all vehicles, but as far as I know it isn’t a blanket ban. It’s only on certain parts of the road network, which have signs telling you where it starts. Northbound on the A?, coming into Antwerp from Brussels is one stretch.

Simon,

Thanks for that.

I found this on the Norwich Union Risk Services site.

"He added that drivers should also be aware of popular misconceptions about driving abroad. For example, while recent reports had suggested that cruise control was outlawed in Belgium, a Belgium citizen recently contacted Norwich Union Risk Services to explain that this only applied on certain roads.

Laurent Docquier, a reader of Norwich Union Risk Services’ weekly e-bulletin, told us: "There is a new sign (white panel, with a red edge, the letters ‘cruise control’ in the center, with a red line across) that advises that cruise control cannot be used in certain areas, mainly because of a heavy traffic of lorries.

“There is a similar sign, without the red line across, that signals the end of that area to the driver - he can use the cruise control again.”

I await the first person to get caught using a cruise control. Is there a big red light flashing or something?

Probably the only time they will catch you is when they cut you out of the cab

dafdave:
The only good things to come out of france are

WINE THE TUNNEL THE FERRIES

Dont forget the Brandy and Pate dave :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

The questions is if we are to get fined when driving abroad, does this mean when lorries from europe driving in the uk have to pay road taxes and the like i dont think so,so once again its a oneway street with the english going the wrong way as usual.

why bring up the point about a roadcharge for the UK

without first looking at the history behind it,WHEN the

EU brought the euro-vingette in GB was as´ked to join
the goverment in office at the time and every one after that one as well kept on saying NO;NO;
they are the people who should be hounded about a road charge
but the british trucks will have to pay as well, and this has been posted here
that many times we might aswell make a sticky about it´,

WHEN AND IF the british goverment brings a roadcharge in, it should be prepared to subsidize or implement a system where those firms who invest
in greener cleaner vehicles reap the benifits,it should also help the small
companys with grants so that they can too take part in cutting costs and useing cleaner vehicles which cause less polluition,and they being the goverment will benifit from this roadcharge, just like the germans,austrians,
swiss,french,dutch,and the rest of those country which charge for the use of their roads,

i see a very big problem with this.

the problem is time versus translation.

anyone that has been fined abroad will know that the fine you pay on the spot is an estimated fine and should you have to pay more or should you be let off until your case has been processed, when the fine comes through it is in the language of the country where you committed the offence.
you are allowed the same amount of time as the countries own citizens to respond to the fine (usually 14 days).
so you have international postage time - usually 3-4 days to arrive at your home, you then have to find someone to translate the document for you and should you wish to appeal then you have to compose your appeal and then have it translated into the language of the country that you have been fined by and then the return postage back to the country 3-4 days approx, by the time you have done this you are too late for the appeal to be taken into consideration.
so lets say you go to a translation company to have the document translated - at what cost to you?
you need to have it translated because you don’t understand it entirely.
so you decide that the fine isn’t for you or that it is an offence you don’t recognise and perhaps it should really have been sent to your company instead of you.
how much do you spend on sending a reply and how worried are you about it anyway.
then there is another problem due to the time constraint, what if you are a real international driver and only come home once a month, the letter arrives just after you leave the for work on monday, the wife sticks it on the shelf awaiting your return.
by the time you get back it’s too late to appeal.
you don’t agree with the fine but have no recourse for appeal as the time limit has passed by.

i’m against it full stop.
i think if they want to fine you for an offence then they should catch you in the act and fine you on the spot.
if they don’t catch you or they don’t fine you on the spot that should be the end of it - unless of course it’s something serious like driving off after an accident that has left someone injured or dead etc.