I was unloading in London at a building site for luxury appartments with a crane.
The top floor penthouse is going for 25 million pounds.
I did not have to wear hi viz or a hard hat even the crane chains were hovering inches away.
All the top site managers were around and other visitors for the project.
The height of the crane was very high.
Some pallets went up a bit wobbly.
But not one shout of get your hat and viz on drive.
Is this a first.
The danger was checking out all the posh totty walking past.
Even the pedestrians were allowed to walk under the pallets when they were being craned up.
School kids and dog walkers going past too.
They coned off the lorry and set up a taped cordon behind the trailer.
Was this in the 1960s? I can’t believe it was in the 21st century.
Yesterday.I still can’t believe how so many attractive women were walking past.Every car was over £60,000.Chelsea.!!
Its a bit early for mushrooms, is it not
I did a drop in London many years ago for the Nat West tower after the bombings apart from the fact you had to turn up exactly on time otherwise they wouldnt let you in (only room for one truck) no waiting outside red lines heavily enforced. Hard Hat Hi Viz boots etc even inspected the packs of breeze blocks i was delivering rejected one pack if i remember. they were craned right up to the top. You must have been delivering to paradise hehe
There must have been about 12 managers on the site who saw me with no Ppe.Lots of road marshalls to direct traffic and banksmen.It made a change not to get shouted at.
Got to wonder why, in todays environment, anyone would chance turning up without PPE and risk being turned away.
Got to wonder too, why if he had the PPE with him he would choose not to wear it.
Also wonder why anyone working under a crane etc would not wear a hard hat.
del949:
Got to wonder why, in todays environment, anyone would chance turning up without PPE and risk being turned away.
Got to wonder too, why if he had the PPE with him he would choose not to wear it.
Also wonder why anyone working under a crane etc would not wear a hard hat.
Perhaps because the person choosing not to wear the ppe understands that as little as 10 years ago he/she wouldn’t have been killed by not wearing it.
Perhaps because the person choosing not to wear the ppe understands that wearing ppe is less to do with their personal safety and more to do with corporate box ticking and arse covering.
Perhaps the person choosing not to wear the ppe has enough sense to not believe all the bollox sprouted by the self serving H&S industry and is capable of making their own grown up decisions.
Oh, and while I’m at it; as a rule anything carried by a crane cannot by its very definition be carried by a man and so is usually technically termed as “bloody heavy”, so what do you reckon the net result of something “bloody heavy” falling from height would be on man wearing hard hat versus man not wearing hard hat?
del949:
Got to wonder why, in todays environment, anyone would chance turning up without PPE and risk being turned away.
Got to wonder too, why if he had the PPE with him he would choose not to wear it.
Also wonder why anyone working under a crane etc would not wear a hard hat.
The question has to be asked, how many lives have these hard hats saved? If something is being craned up the side of a building, chances are it is goings be pretty ■■■■■■■ heavy! A plastic bonce hat ain’t gonna stop a thirty foot RSJ from putting a dent in your head
Obviously they do a have a use, but really, are they overrated?
the maoster:
del949:
Got to wonder why, in todays environment, anyone would chance turning up without PPE and risk being turned away.
Got to wonder too, why if he had the PPE with him he would choose not to wear it.
Also wonder why anyone working under a crane etc would not wear a hard hat.Perhaps because the person choosing not to wear the ppe understands that as little as 10 years ago he/she wouldn’t have been killed by not wearing it.
Perhaps because the person choosing not to wear the ppe understands that wearing ppe is less to do with their personal safety and more to do with corporate box ticking and arse covering.
Perhaps the person choosing not to wear the ppe has enough sense to not believe all the bollox sprouted by the self serving H&S industry and is capable of making their own grown up decisions.
Oh, and while I’m at it; as a rule anything carried by a crane cannot by its very definition be carried by a man and so is usually technically termed as “bloody heavy”, so what do you reckon the net result of something “bloody heavy” falling from height would be on man wearing hard hat versus man not wearing hard hat?
Gets my vote too. Stand health & safety bod under a pallet of bricks with his 'ard 'at and high vis on and drop said pallet of bricks on him. If he survives then I’d gladly wear said 'ard 'at. Not so sure about the high vis.
the maoster:
del949:
Got to wonder why, in todays environment, anyone would chance turning up without PPE and risk being turned away.
Got to wonder too, why if he had the PPE with him he would choose not to wear it.
Also wonder why anyone working under a crane etc would not wear a hard hat.
Perhaps because the person choosing not to wear the ppe understands that wearing ppe is less to do with their personal safety and more to do with corporate box ticking and arse covering.
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No I don’t think that’s true. We live in a blame culture where stupid health and safety rules are as a result of spurious claims from people who would qualify for a Darwin award and insurance compaies instigating H & S rules so you can’t make any further claims.
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Its a bit early for mushrooms, is it not
Haha!
What I don’t understand is when people wear hi-viz when they don’t need too?! Market researchers, window cleaners etc etc. I feel embarassed for my countrymen!
Near where I live there is occasionally a community speed watch set-up with a group of people on the pavement. Now they don’t leave the pavement, but have been issued with a hi-viz apron thing.
In God’s name why?? I can walk along the pavement all day if I wish without a hi-viz jacket; why if someone is doing the same but staying static do they need to look like this? I understand the deterrent thing etc for speed, but I reckon it’s an elf n safety thing. If someone does mount the kerb and knock em over, 2mm of Scotchlite jacket ain’t gonna help
I know someone who’s husband is a health and safety officer who can’t find a job at the moment and hasn’t been able to for some time. Secretly I’m pleased
, its one less of 'em.
When I was a paramedic someone said the reason we have hi-viz jackets is so the [zb] drivers know which emergency service their victim belonged to.
W.
the maoster:
del949:
Got to wonder why, in todays environment, anyone would chance turning up without PPE and risk being turned away.
Got to wonder too, why if he had the PPE with him he would choose not to wear it.
Also wonder why anyone working under a crane etc would not wear a hard hat.Perhaps because the person choosing not to wear the ppe understands that as little as 10 years ago he/she wouldn’t have been killed by not wearing it.
Oh, and while I’m at it; as a rule anything carried by a crane cannot by its very definition be carried by a man and so is usually technically termed as “bloody heavy”, so what do you reckon the net result of something “bloody heavy” falling from height would be on man wearing hard hat versus man not wearing hard hat?
I’ll just take issue with your time line, when I was labouring on building sites in the mid Eighties we had to wear steelies and hard hats, no hi-vis though, but I will agree that its gone a bit crazy in the last 10 years or so.
About the “so what do you reckon the net result of something “bloody heavy” falling from height would be on man wearing hard hat versus man not wearing hard hat”. It will effect what amount an Insurance company will pay out, as they will regard your lack off PPE as a possible sign of neglegence on your behalf.
At the end off the day, does it hurt someone to wear PPE, surely not, and I for one dont want to give any excuse for the Insurance industry to wriggle out of their responsibilities to Me or more inportantly My Family
No you all got it wrong, the reason for the Hi Viz is so the crane driver can see where to drop the load i mean hes high up and needs a ref point.
As for the hard hat it stops the rain from going down the back of your neck.
Personally i dont stand under cranes in case something falls off.
I do in essence agree with this ^^^^^^^^^ and also in essence with what Mick.Mh2racing posted. Perhaps I could’ve chosen my words better (in my defence I was Stella’d up whilst posting ) but the crux of the matter is that perhaps not including safety boots and safety glasses in certain circumstances the rest of the safety bollox we have to endure is just that, bollox. I honestly understand what you mean re insurance payouts etc but it doesn’t alter the fact that I doubt that in the entire history of all this stuff not one person who has been killed or injured due to moving vehicles or objects falling from the sky would have had their lives saved if they’d been wearing a hard hat or hi vis.
As such I will stand by my assertion that it is less to do with OUR safety and more to do with protecting THEIR arses.
the maoster:
I do in essence agree with this ^^^^^^^^^ and also in essence with what Mick.Mh2racing posted. Perhaps I could’ve chosen my words better (in my defence I was Stella’d up whilst posting) but the crux of the matter is that perhaps not including safety boots and safety glasses in certain circumstances the rest of the safety bollox we have to endure is just that, bollox. I honestly understand what you mean re insurance payouts etc but it doesn’t alter the fact that I doubt that in the entire history of all this stuff not one person who has been killed or injured due to moving vehicles or objects falling from the sky would have had their lives saved if they’d been wearing a hard hat or hi vis.
As such I will stand by my assertion that it is less to do with OUR safety and more to do with protecting THEIR arses.
Yes I can agree with the above, but also add, protecting your/families payout
toby1234abc:
checking out all the posh totty walking past.
A few photos would have been good Tobes.
Not keen on the health and safety culture but picture smaller objects such as hammers, a single block, a heavy shackle, piece of chain or even a birckies trowel being dropped from scaffolding or falling off the top of a craned load, it doesn’t take a genius to work out that a hard hat probably will save your life