“Nissan’s Sunderland plant will trial 40 tonne self-driving trucks as part of a new consortium project to future proof logistics in the UK”
commercialfleet.org/news/tr … ing-trucks
Sunderland are used to non occupancy situations, they’re experts…have you seen their home games. 
Seems to only cover “last mile delivery”, if that means exactly what it says then it will all be on Nissan’s own site - it’s huge, like a small town all of it’s own.
that should put a few more drivers onto the scrapheap??
"This project represents a major opportunity to support and accelerate economic growth,
Who benefits from this economic growth?
Surely not the drivers who lose their jobs, or the many other people also looking at their jobs being automated. We keep getting told there’ll be load of new jobs that we never thought about, but nobody is able to say what those new jobs would be and what conditions we’ll be working under.
The term Luddite is a derogative term, as somebody fighting against progress of technology, but maybe that’s because history is written by the victors, maybe we should look again at what the Luddites were really fighting against, they were skilled workers, often self-employed, they had developed good working practices that benefited them. What they saw wasn’t a threat of new technology, but how that technology would be used to destroy their way of life and devalue their job, so it could be done by low skilled workers, who were easy to hire, cheap to employ and easy to get rid of, giving far more power to the factory owners.
I wouldn’t read too much into that. We had a driver in there about a year ago and they were trialing these mega length trailers for shunting internally on site.
From what our driver said when he was speaking to the lad pulling it, Nissan do hundreds of projects like this and 95% of the ideas get scrapped within 6 months.
Considering how much money Tesla and other car manufacturers have piled into self driving cars and they still can’t get it right. I can’t see Self driving HGVs doing shunting work anytime in the next 20+ years.
muckles:
"This project represents a major opportunity to support and accelerate economic growth,
Who benefits from this economic growth?
Surely not the drivers who lose their jobs, or the many other people also looking at their jobs being automated. We keep getting told there’ll be load of new jobs that we never thought about, but nobody is able to say what those new jobs would be and what conditions we’ll be working under.The term Luddite is a derogative term, as somebody fighting against progress of technology, but maybe that’s because history is written by the victors, maybe we should look again at what the Luddites were really fighting against, they were skilled workers, often self-employed, they had developed good working practices that benefited them. What they saw wasn’t a threat of new technology, but how that technology would be used to destroy their way of life and devalue their job, so it could be done by low skilled workers, who were easy to hire, cheap to employ and easy to get rid of, giving far more power to the factory owners.
Well said. The real issue was not automation. It was the fact that the machines, and the additional productivity they created, belonged to the capitalist rather than the redundant worker.
And although machine operators in that era were often better paid, it typically came at the expense of the conditions of the job and the wholesomeness of the activity - in other words, the extra pay was entirely attributable to how much more unpleasant the job was, and the loss of relative autonomy that workers previously had.
Looking by contrast at the postwar period. People were given good redundancy terms and social security and guaranteed low unemployment, as a way of sharing the proceeds of technological progress, and buying consent for the reconfiguration of the economy into a more efficient form.
trucktruck86:
I wouldn’t read too much into that. We had a driver in there about a year ago and they were trialing these mega length trailers for shunting internally on site.From what our driver said when he was speaking to the lad pulling it, Nissan do hundreds of projects like this and 95% of the ideas get scrapped within 6 months.
Considering how much money Tesla and other car manufacturers have piled into self driving cars and they still can’t get it right. I can’t see Self driving HGVs doing shunting work anytime in the next 20+ years.
There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be doing shunting sooner. They have the basic collision avoidance technology already. Car production estates are controlled environments with no general public access. The units will be operating in a small geographic area where a mechanic will always be a stone’s throw away. And the mechanics of a self-coupling vehicle are well within current capability.
I predicted some time ago that the first step we would see would be on-site automation of shunting and so on, and maybe relay stations attached directly to motorways for bulk movements at night, years before we see proper unsupervised automation on the roads in general (if indeed we ever see the latter).
Rjan:
trucktruck86:
I wouldn’t read too much into that. We had a driver in there about a year ago and they were trialing these mega length trailers for shunting internally on site.From what our driver said when he was speaking to the lad pulling it, Nissan do hundreds of projects like this and 95% of the ideas get scrapped within 6 months.
Considering how much money Tesla and other car manufacturers have piled into self driving cars and they still can’t get it right. I can’t see Self driving HGVs doing shunting work anytime in the next 20+ years.
There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be doing shunting sooner. They have the basic collision avoidance technology already. Car production estates are controlled environments with no general public access. The units will be operating in a small geographic area where a mechanic will always be a stone’s throw away. And the mechanics of a self-coupling vehicle are well within current capability.
I predicted some time ago that the first step we would see would be on-site automation of shunting and so on, and maybe relay stations attached directly to motorways for bulk movements at night, years before we see proper unsupervised automation on the roads in general (if indeed we ever see the latter).
Agreed, I see every yard shunting job especially in RDC’s vulnerable first before the open road although all the V2X (vehicle to everything) is already being installed in road furniture ready to communicate with traffic systems with 5G. 
So this came on-line a couple of months ago
nzherald.co.nz/business/new … d=12201172
There have been some very good arguments for and against, but I reckon it is an inevitable progress that we are all going to have to face up to.
In the case of the above article, Auckland port is facing closure as it sat on some very valuable waterfront so it has to become more efficient in the space it has.
Nissan Sunderland will be facing similar pressures to become as efficient as possible, in the mid nineties I pulled a few unaccompanied trailers from Hull docks up there and as everything was just in time, half hour delay was massive problem then.
Goodness only knows what its like nowadays
Ruthless efficiency to benefit the elite 1% owners of the global plantation by putting the majority of slaves out of work will only lead to trouble for everyone as much as seizing the means of production did for the idiots that believed in that Germans incomplete theories.
We are long overdue a world war.
AndieHyde:
So this came on-line a couple of months ago
nzherald.co.nz/business/new … d=12201172There have been some very good arguments for and against, but I reckon it is an inevitable progress that we are all going to have to face up to.
In the case of the above article, Auckland port is facing closure as it sat on some very valuable waterfront so it has to become more efficient in the space it has.
Nissan Sunderland will be facing similar pressures to become as efficient as possible, in the mid nineties I pulled a few unaccompanied trailers from Hull docks up there and as everything was just in time, half hour delay was massive problem then.
Goodness only knows what its like nowadaysRuthless efficiency to benefit the elite 1% owners of the global plantation by putting the majority of slaves out of work will only lead to trouble for everyone as much as seizing the means of production did for the idiots that believed in that Germans incomplete theories.
We are long overdue a world war.
That`s an old world solution, mate!
Time to get more radical. 
The times are changing, and technology, like the atom bomb, cant be un-invented. The current capitalist society wasnt handed to us by God on pieces of stone.
A rich, shareholding minority, atop a pyramid of worker ants is not a given.
The news site owners, Barclay Brothers, Murdoch, writers employed by them, politicians and advisors all passing through a revolving door, often say otherwise, (well, they would wouldnt they, they are near the top) but it doesnt have to be like this.
Universal Basic Income.
I admit, transiting from here to there, is fraught with problems, but that is where we could/should end up.
Limited Companies have only been around (as we know them) for a bit over 150 years.
Stock Exchanges have been around longer, and have done much to build up our societies, but in their present form, are they really good for society as a whole?
Investing in companies to provide goods and services, and pay workers is different to the present situation of skimming off cash, for no benefit, except for a minority of profiteers.
Rjan:
muckles:
"This project represents a major opportunity to support and accelerate economic growth,
Who benefits from this economic growth?
Surely not the drivers who lose their jobs, or the many other people also looking at their jobs being automated. We keep getting told there’ll be load of new jobs that we never thought about, but nobody is able to say what those new jobs would be and what conditions we’ll be working under.The term Luddite is a derogative term, as somebody fighting against progress of technology, but maybe that’s because history is written by the victors, maybe we should look again at what the Luddites were really fighting against, they were skilled workers, often self-employed, they had developed good working practices that benefited them. What they saw wasn’t a threat of new technology, but how that technology would be used to destroy their way of life and devalue their job, so it could be done by low skilled workers, who were easy to hire, cheap to employ and easy to get rid of, giving far more power to the factory owners.
Well said. The real issue was not automation. It was the fact that the machines, and the additional productivity they created, belonged to the capitalist rather than the redundant worker.
And although machine operators in that era were often better paid, it typically came at the expense of the conditions of the job and the wholesomeness of the activity - in other words, the extra pay was entirely attributable to how much more unpleasant the job was, and the loss of relative autonomy that workers previously had.
Looking by contrast at the postwar period. People were given good redundancy terms and social security and guaranteed low unemployment, as a way of sharing the proceeds of technological progress, and buying consent for the reconfiguration of the economy into a more efficient form.
Who benefits?
A company? And its owners...or workers. (if any) A country? And its owners…or citizens.
Sorry,I can`t resist the “B” word here.
Look at Prof Patrick Minford, the lead ERG economist: in favour of Brexit as being good for Britain.
But fully accepting that it would probably cause the destruction of manufacturing and farming in the UK…
We do need to look further to the future, and to examine what our goals really are.
Franglais:
AndieHyde:
So this came on-line a couple of months ago
nzherald.co.nz/business/new … d=12201172There have been some very good arguments for and against, but I reckon it is an inevitable progress that we are all going to have to face up to.
In the case of the above article, Auckland port is facing closure as it sat on some very valuable waterfront so it has to become more efficient in the space it has.
Nissan Sunderland will be facing similar pressures to become as efficient as possible, in the mid nineties I pulled a few unaccompanied trailers from Hull docks up there and as everything was just in time, half hour delay was massive problem then.
Goodness only knows what its like nowadaysRuthless efficiency to benefit the elite 1% owners of the global plantation by putting the majority of slaves out of work will only lead to trouble for everyone as much as seizing the means of production did for the idiots that believed in that Germans incomplete theories.
We are long overdue a world war.
That`s an old world solution, mate!
Time to get more radical.The times are changing, and technology, like the atom bomb, can
t be un-invented. The current capitalist society wasnt handed to us by God on pieces of stone.
A rich, shareholding minority, atop a pyramid of worker ants is not a given.The news site owners, Barclay Brothers, Murdoch, writers employed by them, politicians and advisors all passing through a revolving door, often say otherwise, (well, they would wouldn
t they, they are near the top) but it doesnt have to be like this.
Universal Basic Income.
I admit, transiting from here to there, is fraught with problems, but that is where we could/should end up.Limited Companies have only been around (as we know them) for a bit over 150 years.
Stock Exchanges have been around longer, and have done much to build up our societies, but in their present form, are they really good for society as a whole?
Investing in companies to provide goods and services, and pay workers is different to the present situation of skimming off cash, for no benefit, except for a minority of profiteers.
Like the ubiquitous bad penny, you turn up when all other options are exhausted.
I am not goning to lie, you have a great mind and one of the reasons why I have never abandoned the career as a pandecia for lifes abandoned who are one step above vagrancy.
Some of the smartest people I have ever met drive lorries for a living.
You, absolutely fall into the latter category.
For a glimpse into the future past. I can only best explain in a media accessible to all in the form of Star Trek. First contact.
In which, a time traveling French man, played by a pragmatic Yorkshire man, explains the economics of the future, to a man of present day about how the economy of the future put aside personal greed in which all worked together for the mutual benefit of all.
In recent pandemic times I have made sacrifices for the good of all by simply keeping going.
There have been a large proportion who have seen this as a sign of opportunity to kick back, relax to do kcuf all and to get fatter courtesy of Sunaks tax payers deep pockets.
So that sacrifice seems to have been taken advantage of, as I was an essential worker who.
Kept working. Kept paying tax. Kept everything going while some of you did naff all.
Am I shocked that the military complex wants to ship some of you off to the impending war with the Chinese.
We are all slaves to the machine. Go out there and try to kill more of them than they kill you.
Apparently they are expendable to the machine.
I am seemingly not.
No frlckes were given in the making of this episode of “andiehyde” tells it like it is.
Franglais:
Rjan:
Look at Prof Patrick Minford, the lead ERG economist: in favour of Brexit as being good for Britain.
But fully accepting that it would probably cause the destruction of manufacturing and farming in the UK…We do need to look further to the future, and to examine what our goals really are.
The reality is that the working class weren’t voting for a free-trade Brexit. They were voting for a protectionist, British-jobs-for-British-workers-style Brexit, against the free-trade liberals who support a free-trade EU single market.
If Brexit destroys manufacturing and farming, it’s because free-trade liberals have sold the workers a pup, and given them a Brexit completely opposite to the one demanded.
Personally I think the anti-socialist liberal is now the greatest enemy of the working class, and must be smashed by any means.
Future proof.Let’s throw loads of road transport industry workers on the dole.That’ll fix it. 
Oriental retards.
muckles:
"This project represents a major opportunity to support and accelerate economic growth,
Who benefits from this economic growth?
Surely not the drivers who lose their jobs, or the many other people also looking at their jobs being automated. We keep getting told there’ll be load of new jobs that we never thought about, but nobody is able to say what those new jobs would be and what conditions we’ll be working under.
Obviously bicycle fast food delivery sector will be the default choice when the Jobcentre says no dole money if you turn the offer down.
We’ve had long enough to work out these muppets’ idea of ‘economic growth’ by now.
I remember over 20 years ago seeing self driving robots carrying reels of paper around the mirror printing site at greengate.
They were fully autonomous and would stop if you walked in front of them, wait till it’s clear then carry on their way.
Not fully free roaming as they were programmed to a particular path, but it does not seem like a huge leap to have trailers shunted around private sites like this
Franglais:
Look at Prof Patrick Minford, the lead ERG economist: in favour of Brexit as being good for Britain.
But fully accepting that it would probably cause the destruction of manufacturing and farming in the UK…
I’ll be happy to be corrected, but isn’t the UK economy roughly 80% Service/20% Manufacturing?
The pandemic has put paid to the service industry in the short term, Brexit (allegedly) kicks in after New Year . . .
The future’s looking good.
dexxy57:
Franglais:
Look at Prof Patrick Minford, the lead ERG economist: in favour of Brexit as being good for Britain.
But fully accepting that it would probably cause the destruction of manufacturing and farming in the UK…I’ll be happy to be corrected, but isn’t the UK economy roughly 80% Service/20% Manufacturing?
The pandemic has put paid to the service industry in the short term, Brexit (allegedly) kicks in after New Year . . .
The future’s looking good.
The “service industry” refers more to the “City” rather than pizza parlours in this case! UK Ltd earns more from banking, insurance and finance than it does from cars etc.
Big earners can still stay at home and work. In fact with pandemic precipitated office closures, some office support staff, cleaners, security, and yes, food suppliers, are losing work, but not the already financially secure investors and “top tier” workers.
Rjan:
Franglais:
Rjan:
Look at Prof Patrick Minford, the lead ERG economist: in favour of Brexit as being good for Britain.
But fully accepting that it would probably cause the destruction of manufacturing and farming in the UK…We do need to look further to the future, and to examine what our goals really are.
The reality is that the working class weren’t voting for a free-trade Brexit. They were voting for a protectionist, British-jobs-for-British-workers-style Brexit, against the free-trade liberals who support a free-trade EU single market.
If Brexit destroys manufacturing and farming, it’s because free-trade liberals have sold the workers a pup, and given them a Brexit completely opposite to the one demanded.
Personally I think the anti-socialist liberal is now the greatest enemy of the working class, and must be smashed by any means.
Whatever people thought they were voting for…*
Johnson etc seem happy to go for a free trade, option.
WTO terms aren’t going to help anyone outside of “high net worth investors”.
.
.
*whole different discussion to be had here.