Basically driver where I am has had is 18t daf replaced with a Renault 18t not fully sure the model. I’ll find out. But basically the bed in the back is so small has be folded up when driving there’s no umder bed storage for stuff. Is this wagon designed for tramping 2 3 nights out a week?as looks very compact and small. Surely can’t be expected to night out regular in this. Sorry model is gauge it’s a 17reg curtain sided
An employer is under no obligation to supply a Megatrotterspacecab for nights out. If nights out are required in the truck, I think, as long as a bunk/bed is supplied, then they have met their obligations. 2/3 nights out is not classed as tramping either. 4/5 is.
You might want to ask this question in the main drivers forum.
Ken.
Quinny:
An employer is under no obligation to supply a Megatrotterspacecab for nights out. If nights out are required in the truck, I think, as long as a bunk/bed is supplied, then they have met their obligations.You might want to ask this question in the main drivers forum.
Ken.
As long as he doesn’t put it on the Old Timers forum 
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That post will bring on a number of conditions on some of those old guys ranging from uncontrollable laughter to strokes.
Tell your ‘‘mate’’ to try a few nights out on the parcel shelf of a Bedford TK, or across the engine cover of an A Series ERF. 
Isn’t there another thread just like this one with someone suffering in the same cab…this one attached to a DAF LF?
IIRC…at the launch of the cab on the original Renault Midlum, it was billed as a ‘day cab with rest bunk’ and not a sleeper cab?
Hopefully the wedge is at the high end of the scale, because if not and he’s out most of the week, (and i class 2 to 3 nights out as regular if not actual tramping), then unless the job has other benefits he might as well bugger off somewhere else and at least have a living space for the necessary evil of nights away.
Yes i was one of those silly old buggers having to kip across wooden boards over the engine, but it ain’t the dark ages any more and the place i worked at paid near enough half as much again as the typical local all flash no cash mobs.
Later on i did years on car transporters in cut down cabs or coffins nailed to the back of day cabs 
, but again the money was high.
There has to be a £reward for roughing it, and no i’m not taking the ■■■■ saying he’s roughing it as such, but its no longer the old days and thankfully times have changed.
Juddian:
Hopefully the wedge is at the high end of the scale, because if not and he’s out most of the week, (and i class 2 to 3 nights out as regular if not actual tramping), then unless the job has other benefits he might as well bugger off somewhere else and at least have a living space for the necessary evil of nights away.Yes i was one of those silly old buggers having to kip across wooden boards over the engine, but it ain’t the dark ages any more and the place i worked at paid near enough half as much again as the typical local all flash no cash mobs.
Later on i did years on car transporters in cut down cabs or coffins nailed to the back of day cabsThere has to be a £reward for roughing it, and no i’m not taking the ■■■■ saying he’s roughing it as such, but its no longer the old days and thankfully times have changed.
Spot on, as ever my friend.
robroy:
Quinny:
An employer is under no obligation to supply a Megatrotterspacecab for nights out. If nights out are required in the truck, I think, as long as a bunk/bed is supplied, then they have met their obligations.You might want to ask this question in the main drivers forum.
Ken.
As long as he doesn’t put it on the Old Timers forum
That post will bring on a number of conditions on some of those old guys ranging from uncontrollable laughter to strokes.
Tell your ‘‘mate’’ to try a few nights out on the parcel shelf of a Bedford TK, or across the engine cover of an A Series ERF.
It wasn’t a parcel shelfin the TK, it was a compact sleeping space, and us posh sods had a tin box made up that fitted in the side window space to stretch out with our frozen feet in said box in our sleeping bag, oh the bruises if you fell off !
But back to modern days…plenty of work about, so go speak to the gaffer about it before it arrives ! And let him know your displeasure.
If it’s a day cab and you night out without booking into an hotel are there any legal implications? You can’t do a ferry crossing split break without a bunk. What does the law say? I’m sure there’s summat on .gov about cabs. And if it’s not described as a sleeper cab…?
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I stand to be corrected, but I do not think there is a specific law for the relative size of rest, sleeper or day cabs for that matter. If you look at the little EE curtain side courier vans with the coffins on top of the day cab, then some of those I would have thought are more than 3.5t, which effectively puts them in the same grouping as a 44t artic, with respect to drivers hours and operator licensing in the UK anyway. We have a 10t MAN (effectively 7.5t narrow body with 18t running gear) that has a double sleeper cab. Certainly there are 2 bunks but would I want, or ask anybody else, to spend a substantial part of every week living in it ? No I would not For the occasional overnight, or for a specific occasional trip, for one person anyway it’s an acceptable way to get some sleep without too much faffing about.
Does not one of the new truck / plant hauliers use coffins on day cabs to get the longest possible load length ?
manski:
I stand to be corrected, but I do not think there is a specific law for the relative size of rest, sleeper or day cabs for that matter. If you look at the little EE curtain side courier vans with the coffins on top of the day cab, then some of those I would have thought are more than 3.5t, which effectively puts them in the same grouping as a 44t artic, with respect to drivers hours and operator licensing in the UK anyway. We have a 10t MAN (effectively 7.5t narrow body with 18t running gear) that has a double sleeper cab. Certainly there are 2 bunks but would I want, or ask anybody else, to spend a substantial part of every week living in it ? No I would not
Does not one of the new truck / plant hauliers use coffins on day cabs to get the longest possible load length ?
Yeah Jan de Rooy does cut his cabs down but tbf they don’t look very comfortable. We have 3 Volvo fl in our fleet which have the same cabs as he daf lf and the midlum we had the bunks taken out as they were next to no use and the drivers preferred the room. They are effectively rest cabs and should be treated as such for the use of drivers during a break. I wouldn’t want to to tramp in one neither.
But weren’t those supercube wagons’n’ drags (Muppetts) with very short cabs banned? I could well be wrong but didn’t car transport plead special case?
And sleeping in an unsuitable cab, even fir a few quid extra don’t sound good to me. I’m not saying Super Space for all but can you get a proper rest in a day cab?
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Franglais:
But weren’t those supercube wagons’n’ drags (Muppetts) with very short cabs banned? I could well be wrong but didn’t car transport plead special case?
And sleeping in an unsuitable cab, even fir a few quid extra don’t sound good to me. I’m not saying Super Space for all but can you get a proper rest in a day cab?Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
Supposed to be banned but still see some of them running around the m25, from what I’ve heard of de rooys in the past though he doesn’t exactly like to follow regs.
I tramped in the Volvo version of that cab for months. As long as you plan each night with storing stuff, they are adequate. Not ideal but adequate.
Aurri:
Franglais:
But weren’t those supercube wagons’n’ drags (Muppetts) with very short cabs banned? I could well be wrong but didn’t car transport plead special case?
And sleeping in an unsuitable cab, even fir a few quid extra don’t sound good to me. I’m not saying Super Space for all but can you get a proper rest in a day cab?Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
Supposed to be banned but still see some of them running around the m25, from what I’ve heard of de rooys in the past though he doesn’t exactly like to follow regs.
Yep. But no new ones to the same design?
Bit like Euro zero trucks being around and used, but not illegal.
Edit. I mean it’s not illegal to run one, but you can’t register a new one.?
And De Rooy’s Dafs?
Could they be like the Woodman’s Axe or Trigger’s Broom?
NL reg plates aren’t age related are they?
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