Valid points but still a TROLL 
truckerjimbo:
Valid points but still a TROLL
Thank you jimbo, all points are welcomed, whether they are from a troll or a bin man. Lucid Dreams.
Lucid-dreams:
Opportunistic nevertheless-
Lucid-dreams:
Thatās why I said or proof the driver or truck is away. Itās been said that tracker evidence is enough.As for why do drivers have to get receipts, because you donāt argue with HMRC. My drivers spend time in hotels, Iād love not to have ave to faff with receipts for rooms and food but theme the rules.
Hello again Albion, I guess the point Iām trying to get across is that in an ideal world said very loosely a tramper shouldnāt have to keep receipts to make their take home (perhaps Ā£20-50 a week more than a day man?) Bearing in mind thatās in return for sleeping in a tin can Just to satisfy HMRC. the onus isnāt on HMRC. rather I dream of the day thereās a industry wide shake up. And wages donāt have to be boosted by āallowancesā I also very much doubt youāre in the majority for allowing your employees to stay in hotels. If only all companies had the same outlook as yours. Lucid Dreams.
I agree that night out money shouldnāt be making up wages wages so the rate looks decent. The problem is that the rate isnāt there to pay for hotels. About 20% of the time, ours cab it, the rest is either on a,ferry or hotel, because the load is high value and the customer pays the hotel bill. If I did general, then hotels wouldnāt in the equation.
Stobprats pay Ā£8 odd and what people do not realise is that to calculate holiday pay properly ,You cannot add meal allowances or night out money .So this henious company not only pay you peanuts but they are basically fiddling you into lower holiday pay while you are not working for them .Horrible tax avoiding money grabbing a holes .
Lucid-dreams:
DaveyCrocket:
If my employer gave me, letās say Ā£10 a day meal allowance but insisted on receipts then Iād just give him the receipt for my weekly household shop (Ā£100+) from Tesco and tell him that I buy my food there and take it to work with me which is exactly what I do because apart from the odd cuppa, I wonāt touch the ā ā ā they serve in roadside caffs. The point Iām making is that you can give them any old receipts - itās up to you where you buy your food, not them.Hi dave, very good point! But do HMRC allow this? I mean, if I was to put my shopping bill through which I bought on a Saturday - that isnāt when Iām out in the truck. So would that satisfy HMRC? I do 100% agree with you though. Lucid Dreams.
They canāt disallow it, mate ā¦ they canāt force you to buy your food only at the time and place you eat it!
Lucid-dreams:
I have heard from numerous trampers that part of their night out allowance is subject to taxation, if they do not provide receipts. Along with their meal allowance. I now have 2 questions and any help would be appreciated as itās left me quite bemused as to where HMRC stand on this.
Eddie stobart openly advertise rates on their website of Ā£15 per day tax free meal allowance and Ā£22.50 night out money - again tax free this is openly incorporated as take home pay often citing what it would be if translated into hourly pay. How can they openly suggest this to be part of a salary when many would believe to be only āexpensesā money (hence the reason itās tax free)
(this isnāt taking a pop at stobart) but if they can openly advertise tax free allowances as part of a salary package and not expenses. Then why is it not incorporated into holiday pay and also why arenāt other companies jumping on the band wagon of offering high tax free meal allowances to boost wages up and thus reducing their own overheads by paying less of their own NI and Tax.
Sorry if this post is long winded. Iām not taking a pop at stobart or trampers in general Iām just curious as to why HMRC seem very interested in asking for receipts of nights out and proven meals yet stobart (and many other big players) openly admit to offering tax free allowances to boost wages even comparing It to hourly pay?
I look forward to all of your thoughts - Lucid Dreams.
Every Stobart truck have microlise devise or PC Tablets.If he stay night out that he must leave card into tacho.When driver press to break that he must chouce how long .He press 9/11 and after sistem ask confirm and sent tramper location to someone.So full evidence who driver sleep in truck and where.If any employer work 10+hours per day away from permanent base that i think it is legally can pay some meal tax free allowance and not just for lorry drivers.
Andrejs:
Lucid-dreams:
I have heard from numerous trampers that part of their night out allowance is subject to taxation, if they do not provide receipts. Along with their meal allowance. I now have 2 questions and any help would be appreciated as itās left me quite bemused as to where HMRC stand on this.
Eddie stobart openly advertise rates on their website of Ā£15 per day tax free meal allowance and Ā£22.50 night out money - again tax free this is openly incorporated as take home pay often citing what it would be if translated into hourly pay. How can they openly suggest this to be part of a salary when many would believe to be only āexpensesā money (hence the reason itās tax free)
(this isnāt taking a pop at stobart) but if they can openly advertise tax free allowances as part of a salary package and not expenses. Then why is it not incorporated into holiday pay and also why arenāt other companies jumping on the band wagon of offering high tax free meal allowances to boost wages up and thus reducing their own overheads by paying less of their own NI and Tax.
Sorry if this post is long winded. Iām not taking a pop at stobart or trampers in general Iām just curious as to why HMRC seem very interested in asking for receipts of nights out and proven meals yet stobart (and many other big players) openly admit to offering tax free allowances to boost wages even comparing It to hourly pay?
I look forward to all of your thoughts - Lucid Dreams.
Every Stobart truck have microlise devise or PC Tablets.If he stay night out that he must leave card into tacho.When driver press to break that he must chouce how long .He press 9/11 and after sistem ask confirm and sent tramper location to someone.So full evidence who driver sleep in truck and where.If any employer work 10+hours per day away from permanent base that i think it is legally can pay some meal tax free allowance and not just for lorry drivers.
Hello Andre thank you very much for your response! Albeit a Google translated one - Lucid Dreams.
Lucid-dreams:
Andrejs:
Lucid-dreams:
I have heard from numerous trampers that part of their night out allowance is subject to taxation, if they do not provide receipts. Along with their meal allowance. I now have 2 questions and any help would be appreciated as itās left me quite bemused as to where HMRC stand on this.
Eddie stobart openly advertise rates on their website of Ā£15 per day tax free meal allowance and Ā£22.50 night out money - again tax free this is openly incorporated as take home pay often citing what it would be if translated into hourly pay. How can they openly suggest this to be part of a salary when many would believe to be only āexpensesā money (hence the reason itās tax free)
(this isnāt taking a pop at stobart) but if they can openly advertise tax free allowances as part of a salary package and not expenses. Then why is it not incorporated into holiday pay and also why arenāt other companies jumping on the band wagon of offering high tax free meal allowances to boost wages up and thus reducing their own overheads by paying less of their own NI and Tax.
Sorry if this post is long winded. Iām not taking a pop at stobart or trampers in general Iām just curious as to why HMRC seem very interested in asking for receipts of nights out and proven meals yet stobart (and many other big players) openly admit to offering tax free allowances to boost wages even comparing It to hourly pay?
I look forward to all of your thoughts - Lucid Dreams.
Every Stobart truck have microlise devise or PC Tablets.If he stay night out that he must leave card into tacho.When driver press to break that he must chouce how long .He press 9/11 and after sistem ask confirm and sent tramper location to someone.So full evidence who driver sleep in truck and where.If any employer work 10+hours per day away from permanent base that i think it is legally can pay some meal tax free allowance and not just for lorry drivers.
Hello Andre thank you very much for your response! Albeit a Google translated one
You must read tax office rules about night out and meal allowance.