So as trucks progress and get more and more techy with all sorts of gizmos and safety features i find it very odd that a company pays fortunes for these trucks as they promise fuel economy ect ect but these same company’s dont ensure that the main component i e the guy behind the wheel get any training in getting the best from the truck surely manufacturers could include in the sale price a familiarisation course of some kind im not saying were all idiots because clearly we arnt as most have loads of real life experience but trucks are getting more n more technical and if i was buying one i would like to think that i have made sure the driver new how to get the best out of it just a thought chaps
bjd:
So as trucks progress and get more and more techy with all sorts of gizmos and safety features i find it very odd that a company pays fortunes for these trucks as they promise fuel economy ect ect but these same company’s dont ensure that the main component i e the guy behind the wheel get any training in getting the best from the truck surely manufacturers could include in the sale price a familiarisation course of some kind im not saying were all idiots because clearly we arnt as most have loads of real life experience but trucks are getting more n more technical and if i was buying one i would like to think that i have made sure the driver new how to get the best out of it just a thought chaps
Many larger companies pay some form of fuel economy bonus I think? That`s incentive enough for many drivers.
When I got my current truck their demo driver came along for a short wheel around together.
The bonus is an incentive i agree but if was in the big chair i think a little time with a demo driver to familiarise the driver would be high on my list we have drivers at my place who are quiet often asking people what this button does and what does this symbol mean ect so how can they be getting the best out of a piece of equipment that costs fortunes
bjd:
So as trucks progress and get more and more techy with all sorts of gizmos and safety features i find it very odd that a company pays fortunes for these trucks as they promise fuel economy ect ect but these same company’s dont ensure that the main component i e the guy behind the wheel get any training in getting the best from the truck surely manufacturers could include in the sale price a familiarisation course of some kind im not saying were all idiots because clearly we arnt as most have loads of real life experience but trucks are getting more n more technical and if i was buying one i would like to think that i have made sure the driver new how to get the best out of it just a thought chaps
I know Scania did at one time
Our fleet is being replaced over the next month or so. Scania dropped the ball with epically atrocious dealer back up so apparently we’re going to be an all MAN fleet. The only driver training offered for them is how to securely place the bag over your head so that nobody recognises you driving it!
bjd:
The bonus is an incentive i agree but if was in the big chair i think a little time with a demo driver to familiarise the driver would be high on my list we have drivers at my place who are quiet often asking people what this button does and what does this symbol mean ect so how can they be getting the best out of a piece of equipment that costs fortunes
Probably true.
Economy can be part of DCPC as well. Depending how it is organised, could that be maybe more vehicle specific if a company is paying for the course? General economy, plus tips relating to the actual fleet?
We have had some new model Scania’s join the ‘classic’ Scania models we had. The old models had aftermarket auto adjusting air management kits fitted but the new ones have genuine Scania ones. I pointed out that many of the new trucks’ kits were not adjusted to the trailers being pulled, all need to be adjusted by the driver with a winding handle behind the cab because we have a mixed height fleet. The management weren’t interested 
. So much for fuel efficient new models! 
I think these so called managment are very short sighted when i comes to effective training
And the ridiculous thing is the first thing most companies do is remove the hand book . First thing I look for if a guage or light is not correct is look for the hand book , but it’s sat in a storeroom back at base !
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poleman:
We have had some new model Scania’s join the ‘classic’ Scania models we had. The old models had aftermarket auto adjusting air management kits fitted but the new ones have genuine Scania ones. I pointed out that many of the new trucks’ kits were not adjusted to the trailers being pulled, all need to be adjusted by the driver with a winding handle behind the cab because we have a mixed height fleet. The management weren’t interested
Any tool is only as good as the person using it. Just ask the driver to adjust the kit, by using the handle, when changing trailers maybe?
Don`t need to be Wernher von Braun to work that one out. 
RTFM 
I have been on Three of these ‘‘economic and safe’’ driving Courses when i worked for Dutch co’s.These date back from the 80s’- 90’s so they have been about for a long time.A lot depended on the Company and they were voluntary so no all drivers did them.There was a Little stigma attached in the beginning with the drivers mentality of ‘’ i’m a good driver,i don’t need some ‘‘suit’’ telling me how to drive’'.
the maoster:
Our fleet is being replaced over the next month or so. Scania dropped the ball with epically atrocious dealer back up so apparently we’re going to be an all MAN fleet. The only driver training offered for them is how to securely place the bag over your head so that nobody recognises you driving it!
You have my deepest sympathy.
MAN are in my top two of worst trucks (present era) to drive. Absolutely diabolical.
Rubber band steering.
On-off clutch.
Gear change by committee.
Gutless beyond a joke.
Road holding of a shopping trolley.
Wardrobe door sized mirrors.
Combining the atrocious ride quality with the rapidly worsening state of the road surfaces, is making driving one increasingly arduous.
the nodding donkey:
the maoster:
Our fleet is being replaced over the next month or so. Scania dropped the ball with epically atrocious dealer back up so apparently we’re going to be an all MAN fleet. The only driver training offered for them is how to securely place the bag over your head so that nobody recognises you driving it!You have my deepest sympathy.
MAN are in my top two of worst trucks (present era) to drive. Absolutely diabolical.
Rubber band steering.
On-off clutch.
Gear change by committee.
Gutless beyond a joke.
Road holding of a shopping trolley.
Wardrobe door sized mirrors.Combining the atrocious ride quality with the rapidly worsening state of the road surfaces, is making driving one increasingly arduous.
You think the MAN ride quality is bad ? Try driving a Mercedes Actros then ! makes the MAN feel as so its riding on Air
blue estate:
the nodding donkey:
the maoster:
Our fleet is being replaced over the next month or so. Scania dropped the ball with epically atrocious dealer back up so apparently we’re going to be an all MAN fleet. The only driver training offered for them is how to securely place the bag over your head so that nobody recognises you driving it!You have my deepest sympathy.
MAN are in my top two of worst trucks (present era) to drive. Absolutely diabolical.
Rubber band steering.
On-off clutch.
Gear change by committee.
Gutless beyond a joke.
Road holding of a shopping trolley.
Wardrobe door sized mirrors.Combining the atrocious ride quality with the rapidly worsening state of the road surfaces, is making driving one increasingly arduous.
You think the MAN ride quality is bad ? Try driving a Mercedes Actros then ! makes the MAN feel as so its riding on Air
Guess which truck is the other in my top two… 
The Mercedes edges the top spot, became of its awful bed and ‘nodding dog’ cab suspension.
peirre:
RTFM
+1.
At my last company they only bought new Volvo’s and we did a day’s training out with a Volvo guy and it went towards our cpc.
mrginge:
At my last company they only bought new Volvo’s and we did a day’s training out with a Volvo guy and it went towards our cpc.
That is in my opinion effective relevant training and worth doing
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peirre:
RTFM+1.
+2
■■■■ fuel economy, time is more valuable… 
AndrewG:
biggriffin:
peirre:
RTFM+1.
+2
[zb] fuel economy, time is more valuable…
Speed is your friend, time is your enemy, hence keep it lit