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ive read all the books and used the tacho simulator. but i need some real world explainations on some of the tacho rules.

please give me an example of when i can use p.o.a?
and what effect does it have on my daily driving hours?

what happens if i take a 15 minute break at say 3 hours then the other 30 at 4.5 hours. im not all that up with the digi tachos and don’t really understand what the display is telling me when i press the down button

im agency and only do a few shifts here and there. there is never any paper in the tacho. who is supposed to provide paper?

maximum 11 hours on duty? please explain

do i need to make printouts at the end of the shift?

many thanks :blush:

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right poa im not too sure on cause ive rarely used it, but im sure if your waiting to say get on a bay and you get told half an hour or something then you can use it…i think

if you take a 15 at 3 hours then a 30 at 4.5 you will then start over your next 4.5 hour period

you can do 15 hours a day but im sure you have to compensate for that the following week, but you can do more than 10 hours driving obviously.

if there isnt paper go into the transport office and ask for some lol.

your agency will probably want print outs just like they want ur paper tachos. but you dont need to keep them on you as if its digi tacho then its on the card

hope that sorta helps

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am i imagining it about the 11 hours thing?
did home delivery the other day only drove for about 5 hours but was working for about 15/ 16. oops hours messing around with washing machines and fridges. thanks for the help with the other questions. im going to get caught out one day and get in trouble through a lack of knowledge

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joedwyer1:
ive read all the books and used the tacho simulator. but i need some real world explainations on some of the tacho rules.

you are not alone there 

joedwyer1:
please give me an example of when i can use p.o.a?
and what effect does it have on my daily driving hours?

you can use poa when you know about a hold up in advance, say you do the same run every week and you get to a drop and it is always a 30 minute wait until you can get on a bay then you can put it on POA or of they phone you when you are on the way and say it will be about 1 hour before they can unload you then POA it when you get there, what most people do is whack it on rest, its easier and you get your rests in. it doesn’t effect your daily driving hours (some digital tacho’s reset your driving time (to allow you another 4.5 hours) after 45 mins on POA but legally it does not reset your driving (of 4.5 hours) only break can do that.

joedwyer1:
what happens if i take a 15 minute break at say 3 hours then the other 30 at 4.5 hours. im not all that up with the digi tachos and don’t really understand what the display is telling me when i press the down button

then you have another 4.5 hours driving to use (as long as it is your first 4.5 that has just finished) or 1 more hour if it is your second 4.5 hour period and you have one of your 2 10 hour drives left for that fixed week

joedwyer1:
im agency and only do a few shifts here and there. there is never any paper in the tacho. who is supposed to provide paper?

see the transport office and get a roll for the unit and try to get at least 2 spares as you need to carry some spares by law. I would advise you buy some yourself (it doesn’t matter how much you pay for them) and charge them at £4 a roll everytime you use one (under incidental expenses) , they will soon get the hint and replace the ones in your wagon. If they don’t give you any paper and you don’t have any refuse to take the wagon as it will be you in the brown and smelly if stopped and there isn’t any paper in the machine!

joedwyer1:
maximum 11 hours on duty? please explain

your maximum allowed working hours is 15 hours 3 times a working week as you need to have at least 9 hours rest prior to the end of your 24 hour period. If you start at 0600, you would need to have had at least 9 hours rest by 0600 the next day as long as you have the ability to use a 9 hour rest (you can reduce your rest to 9 hours 3 times in any given working week (between rest periods)). I have no idea where you get the 11 hours max as it is either 15 or 13 max; it depends on what rests you have at your disposal

joedwyer1:
do i need to make printouts at the end of the shift?

you don’t need to but like has been said your agency might want them so do it anyway.

joedwyer1:
many thanks :blush:

You’re welcome

I think I got most of it right but someone will be along to explain it a bit better in a moment no doubt.

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almost did it legal then. is forgetting to take your card out at the end of a shift a goodenough excuse?

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The 11 hours duty time you refer to is from the UK domestic rules and doesn’t apply if you drive under EU rules, which if you are using a digi card as you mentioned on another thread, you are.

Maximum of 15 hours duty 3 times between weekly rest periods as you can only reduce your daily rest to 9 hours 3 times between weekly rest periods - 24 hour period from when shift starts - 9 hours rest = 15 hours duty time. This means you could do 6 or 7 15 hour shifts in the fixed week - Monday - Sunday, depending on when you weekly rest falls and how long it is.

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gogzy:
you can do 15 hours a day but im sure you have to compensate for that the following week

No compensation required for reduced daily rest periods, only weekly ones.

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joe,

have you got a copy of the drivers hours you can download in pdf format?

its here if you need it

drivers hours pdf

quite easy to understand (once you get the hang of it). anything you dont understand just ask, someone will know the answer)

take it easy

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Hi Giblsa

Giblsa
you can use poa when you know about a hold up in advance, say you do the same run every week and you get to a drop and it is always a 30 minute wait until you can get on a bay then you can put it on POA or of they phone you when you are on the way and say it will be about 1 hour before they can unload you then POA it, what most people do is whack it on rest, its easier and you get your rests in. it doesn’t effect your daily driving hours (some digital tacho’s reset your driving time (to allow you another 4.5 hours) after 45 mins on POA but legally it does not reset your driving (of 4.5 hours) only break can do tha

you may want to add to the bit in red when you get there put it on POA, you can not put in on POA while moveing :wink:

del

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delboytwo:
Hi Giblsa

Giblsa
you can use poa when you know about a hold up in advance, say you do the same run every week and you get to a drop and it is always a 30 minute wait until you can get on a bay then you can put it on POA or of they phone you when you are on the way and say it will be about 1 hour before they can unload you then POA it, what most people do is whack it on rest, its easier and you get your rests in. it doesn’t effect your daily driving hours (some digital tacho’s reset your driving time (to allow you another 4.5 hours) after 45 mins on POA but legally it does not reset your driving (of 4.5 hours) only break can do tha

you may want to add to the bit in red when you get there put it on POA, you can not put in on POA while moveing :wink:

del

happy now mate■■? :unamused: :unamused:

:wink: :wink:

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Giblsa:

delboytwo:
Hi Giblsa

Giblsa
you can use poa when you know about a hold up in advance, say you do the same run every week and you get to a drop and it is always a 30 minute wait until you can get on a bay then you can put it on POA or of they phone you when you are on the way and say it will be about 1 hour before they can unload you then POA it, what most people do is whack it on rest, its easier and you get your rests in. it doesn’t effect your daily driving hours (some digital tacho’s reset your driving time (to allow you another 4.5 hours) after 45 mins on POA but legally it does not reset your driving (of 4.5 hours) only break can do tha

you may want to add to the bit in red when you get there put it on POA, you can not put in on POA while moveing :wink:

del

happy now mate■■? :unamused: :unamused:

:wink: :wink:

thanks :wink: :laughing:

Del