Newbie girl with questions

[the_catman]

gnasty gnome:

ROG:
According to my source at VOSA, a ‘rosette’ counts as a ‘reward’

If that really is the case it opens more than one can of worms.

Vintage tractors, stationary engines, etc.; many are currently taken to shows on the back of privately owned 7.5’s or even classic commercials. Farmers take livestock to shows in trailers which are big enough, combined with a big 4x4 pulling them, to creep into O-licence territory.

Taking it one step further, if I were to take my old pick-up to a show and in the very unlikely event that it won something, would that then be classed as “hire or reward” and invalidate my insurance? It is currently permitted to do shows of course but would I have to get the trophy or rosette posted to my house?

Agree with dbcooper, another classic case of “one size fits all” which hasn’t been thought out properly. The potential problem as I see it is not VOSA but likely the insurance companies who will ■■■■■■ at any straw in order to default on their obligations to their customers.

Agree with Gnasty (but I’m not an expert either). I’m going with the use of trucks to transport racing cars between meetings and used as mobile workshops etc - they seem to be taxed as “not for hire or reward”

TC

[denis_f]

ROG:
My only concern would be from an insurance company in the case of any claim - you know what these are like - they will find any way to get out of paying up

just to confuse things NFU private horsebox insurance claims to cover you for taking a friends horse with you if there is no payment

I read someones policy once

[quinny]

dbcooper:
heres a good tip for anyone moving horses privately,always carry the horses passport,

She’s taking it to shows in a horsebox,not to bloody Ibiza on Easynag Airlines…

Ken.

[muckles]

Driving ponies:
ROG[/Yes my ponies are used for competetion we go to county show competing in carriage driving The entry fees are usualy £20, the fuel is usualy £50 and the prize money If we are lucky enough to get any is as much as £30. Not a lot of profit in that.
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Have you thought of going into haulage? You seem to understand the ecomonics
> Driving ponies:
> dbcooper All equine must be accoumpanied with their passport, no passport means a fine of £1,000. You are correct about the prize money issue. When the Wato came in the British Driving Society fought for the small induvidual not to be included in this legislation and won. So we don’t need a wato or cpc.
>
> As Denis f says its a fun day out and is classed as private.
I think it will be a sad day when somebody gets done for going to a Horse show, banger racing or any other event where you use a HGV for personal use. I would hope that VOSA have bigger things to worry about.
> Driving ponies:
> My local vosa lads like to see me each year as they take the mick and have a lot of banta with me.
Well I suppose you might be a welcome change from yet another truck mechanic
> Driving ponies:
> I still am none the wiser about the monitor in the cab but never mind i shall ask other Horsey folk what they know as most people will be taking their lorries for test round about now.
I don’t know much about the monitor, but the only vehicle I drove with a reversing camera would only work in reverse gear. Which might be how they get around the monitor being a distraction.
Even if you were commercial I think you would be exempt from the drivers CPC as driving is not the main part of your occupation.
> Driving ponies:
> Many thanks again everyone. Happy motoring and if you see a black and orange ford iveco with orange dragons on it give me a wave.I promoise to wave back.
>
> Oh Diesel Demon I am a rare female i have’nt seen any of the soaps for over 20 years they bore the socks off me.
So the truck is quite understated then

[discopete]

Driving Ponies

I have Mot prepped many horseboxes

and all i do for mot is if the screen is on the dash board covering the view, is simply remove the moniter and push wires inside dash for test,

VOSA cant fail something that is not there, its not being sneaky really as everyone does it

with regard to lights, if they are fitted they must work so if you have marker lights along the top of the body sides they must all be working, although not required in road traffic requirements vosa like them to work, as regards normal markers, a rule of thumb that has never let me down is, a marker light within a metre of the front of the vehicle and a marker within a metre front the rearmost point of vehicle, then every three metres in between, your being a 7.5t will probably only have a centre marker and front and rear markers,

as long as the light shines to the side and is amber its a marker lamp so your front side light counts as a marker with a metre of the front.

also with these markers they must be a reflector, most marker lamps have reflecotrs built in but some dont so be careful, a simple stick on reflector will do.

more recent checks at mot are things like seat belts, make sure webbing is not frayyed and they click into clasp ok, if new enough to be fitted that is.

ask for volutary headlamp check as is one of the most common failiures, do this before test also a volutary brake test, if you get chance do this and headlamp check maybe a week before test, if you cant do this, brakes is another hot failure point, as horseboxes tend to sit for a few months sometimes and brakes glaze over, easy way is on way to test is drive it like you stole it, brake late, to get brakes hot or pull park brake on very slightly whilst driving and i mean slightly to warm up brakes,

if she is a smoky ole girl maybe change fuel filters before test and blow out air filter to get emmissions lower or a good run around before test.

beware the law has changed and i think its 04 onwards 7.5t must have speed limiters fitted, not sure if this applies to horseboxes, but not a bad idea for such a valuable load,

if you have a knob on steering wheel for spinning wheel fast, take it off for test, if it has damaged steering wheel which they usually do wrap some tape around it,

i can also say some coach builders wiring to rear lights especailly , is shocking considering the cost of the vehicle, it seems a case of what the customer cant see they wont worry about.

hope this helps

if you need any more info just ask and ill try and help

pete

[mrflibble]

Driving ponies:
I shall make a few comments on this as i am not a complete girl

Which bits are missing?

Driving ponies:
I still am none the wiser about the monitor in the cab but never mind i shall ask other Horsey folk what they know as most people will be taking their lorries for test round about now.

As others have mentioned, some trucks have CCTV for reversing, and I’m sure I’ve seen other vehicles with CCTV in other places (e.g. in buses to keep an eye on the passengers). I doubt it would be a problem, but you could always ring up VOSA and ask them directly.

[duracell]

CCTV monitor for reversing can be in a prominant position for viewing as it is classed as part of the drivers view of the vehicle, although there is a maximum screen size (not sure of size but any company selling these products would no doubt put you right) however I would disconnect the camera for viewing the horses prior to test, as they may well look at this as a distraction.
Keep on trecking

[dean0]

sorry i do not know the answer
But could you please speed up a bit thanks

[blue222]

If it’s an Iveco, just stick the screen in front of the dashboard switches - most of them won’t work anyway…

[button_boy]

i bet this poor woman,s sorry she asked now ,lets try to stay on the subject if thats o. k.

[cruise_control]

So when you go up and collect your reward/prize i’m assuing a VOSA TE presents it to you (TIC Macdoog/Geebee45 ) will they ask to see your ‘O’ licence first

Or will their be wheel tappers and HMR&C sitting in lay by’s just out side shows to check such things when horse boxes leave and to check they declare their winings