Newbie Confused Over WTD

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Hello everyone,

Thank you for taking the time to read this post - any answer (s) would be very much appreciated.

I am about to start training for my HGV (C) license and as yet am getting closer to doing all my theories etc.

I am a bit confused regarding rest breaks, tacho law etc.

I was on the understanding that you had to by law, have a break of 45 minutes within 4 hours 30 minutes of driving but looking on a previous post and on the businesslink website - it states a break every 6 hours■■?

I go by whats in the the theory revision book of 4.5 hours but it would be nice if someone could clear this up for me please??

Thanks for your time :grimacing:

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. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: Welcome Want2Truck :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: .

Want2Truck:
am getting closer to doing all my theories etc…I am a bit confused regarding rest breaks, tacho law etc.

I was speaking to a very experienced LGV trainer who was doing a theory course with about 6 trainees and he gave this advice -
Do not go too deeply into the regs at this point in time - concentrate on passing the theory tests and then the practical tests

We agreed that the best option for learning the regulations and the using of various tachographs is to book a periodic Dcpc course that covers these issues AFTER passing the Initial Dcpc module 4 test so that 7 hours can be accreditted towards the 35 needed in the 5 years from the mod 4 test pass date.
Make sure that any Periodic course is done with someone who KNOWS what they are talking about - LGV schools are recommended for this

All the LGV TRAINING TIPS, including the Recommended LGV training schools that have been recommended by members, can be accessed by clicking on the link in my signature :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
The link includes THE INITIAL DRIVER CPC which started on 10 Sept 2009.

JOB HUNTING :question: - A read of THIS POST may be useful.

First year experience as a newbie after passing CE (with pics)

Forum with some useful stuff and Forum for questions on drivers hours

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Instead of Roger confusing you I will answer the question you asked. :stuck_out_tongue:

The EU drivers hours & tachograph laws EU 561/2006 require you to take 45 minutes break after
4 hours 30 minutes driving. this can be split into a 15 minute and a 30 minute break in that order only.

The working time directive WTD / RTD requires a break of 15 minutes after 6 hours work. Driving and other work are work, POA (periods of availability) and breaks are not.

Simples.

Remember, there are two sets of rules you will have to juggle with.

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Wheel Nut:
Instead of Roger confusing you I will answer the question you asked. :stuck_out_tongue:

The EU drivers hours & tachograph laws EU 561/2006 require you to take 45 minutes break after
4 hours 30 minutes driving. this can be split into a 15 minute and a 30 minute break in that order only.

The working time directive WTD / RTD requires a break of 15 minutes after 6 hours work. Driving and other work are work, POA (periods of availability) and breaks are not.

Simples.

Remember, there are two sets of rules you will have to juggle with.

I did not confuse but simply did not go into it for the very reasons I gave

The LGV theory does not tackle the RT(WTD)R so the trainee does not need their head filling with it at this stage - they have enough to think about already

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Thanks Rog and Wheel Nut,

I appreciate your responses and like the sound of what Rog said.

What I don’t get is when are you supposed to adhere to the WTD over the EU drivers hours?

Once again, thanks for responding :grimacing:

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Want2Truck:
What I don’t get is when are you supposed to adhere to the WTD over the EU drivers hours?

Remember, there are two sets of rules you will have to juggle with.

At the same time - which is why I said wait until the basic training is over so you will have plenty of free brain time to study them.

I suggest you ask again once you have passed all your tests and many on here will be more than happy to go into details on the rules :bulb: :slight_smile:

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Want2Truck:
What I don’t get is when are you supposed to adhere to the WTD over the EU drivers hours?

You don’t adhere to one over the other, you have to stick to them both all of the time.

Paul

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Want2Truck:
What I don’t get is when are you supposed to adhere to the WTD over the EU drivers hours?

hi mate

what you have to remember is if your driving time is 4.5 hour a EU break of 45 mins is required if you do not drive for 4.5 hours in the 6 hours of work a RTD break is required of 30mins(if working between 6 and 9 hours) which 15 as to be done at 6 hours work, or before and the other 15 mins before your shift ends, not at the end of your shift, if you work longer than 9 hours in that day, a break of 45 mins is required

in fact you could come to work at 6 am and finish at 6 pm and did only 5 hours and 59 mins work in that 12 hour shift no official break would be required

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Thanks ROG - what you say makes great sense. I think I will stick to what you said, makes life a bit more easier too.

Thanks Repton - but does that mean you get 2 breaks within 6 hours - 1 break after 4.5 hours and 1 break after 6 hours■■? :laughing:

Much appreciated :grimacing:

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Thanks Delboytwo,

It has finally sunk in - I now get it!!! YAY!!!

So the EU is in respect of driving time where as the WTD is in respect of work (all forms).

Much clearer now, thanks :grimacing:

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Want2Truck:
Thanks Delboytwo,

It has finally sunk in - I now get it!!! YAY!!!

So the EU is in respect of driving time where as the WTD is in respect of work (all forms).

Much clearer now, thanks :grimacing:

no probs mate

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Want2Truck:
Thanks ROG - what you say makes great sense. I think I will stick to what you said, makes life a bit more easier too.

Thanks Repton - but does that mean you get 2 breaks within 6 hours - 1 break after 4.5 hours and 1 break after 6 hours■■? :laughing:

Much appreciated :grimacing:

no because having a break at 4.5hrs (45min) will wipe the slate clean for the next 4.5hrs driv or 6 hours work
Just remember both rules run together so breaks work with both rules

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Want2Truck:
Thanks Repton - but does that mean you get 2 breaks within 6 hours - 1 break after 4.5 hours and 1 break after 6 hours■■? :laughing:

No, the same break will count for both. So if you, for example, get to work and do half an hour of other work then 4.5h of driving and then have a 45min break, then that’s you covered for both the drivers hours and the WTD.

Paul

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Cheers repton and nick2008

I understand it now :grimacing:

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Want2Truck:
Cheers repton and nick2008

I understand it now :grimacing:

Bloody hell, you are going to be no use to this forum at all if you understand it after just a few posts. That’s going to leave a lot more work for ROG and Delboytwo (although he is way better these days than he used to be) to take the thread to several pages. Step up and do your share man, let it get to at least page two before you grasp it. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :sunglasses:

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Oh sorry Coffeeholic,

Forgive the fubar - I am a newbie after all :blush:

I didn’t really get it, I just didn’t want to look too thick and waste everyone’s time trying to explain it but if everyone is looking for a challenge, well then here I am :bulb: