New unit for euro work

[brados]

harry:
Australian Magnum is based on the European tractor Renault Magnum chassis. Engine is ■■■■■■■ US-made (the European Renault Magnum is equipped with Mack engine) with power of 500-580 hp, transmission is Eaton, rear axles are Dana with an air suspension Hendrikson. Gross combination vehicle weight can reach 90 tons. The tractor is ideally suited to work with B-Double trailers.

just seeing if you are awake?

With all due respect we are discussing a UK based operator, I take your point though, Aussie Magnums have the ■■■■■■■ engine!

[harry]

They only lasted a coupla years ,they were plagued by electrical probs & faded from view.

[glenman]

harry:
Australian Magnum is based on the European tractor Renault Magnum chassis. Engine is ■■■■■■■ US-made (the European Renault Magnum is equipped with Mack engine) with power of 500-580 hp, transmission is Eaton, rear axles are Dana with an air suspension Hendrikson. Gross combination vehicle weight can reach 90 tons. The tractor is ideally suited to work with B-Double trailers.

just seeing if you are awake?

so out of date i had to check if it was some random post dragged up from about 1995.
what about someone who knows about modern magnums giving the man some advice? and he probably wont need the info on the daf-■■■■■■■ set up either.

[mixer_driver_too]

Have you thought about a Renault Premium. £20k cheaper to start with. The cab would probably not be the best for Long Haul but on the mileage, fuel consumption by about 1mpg would save you ££££££`s. Renault cardiff have them in stock. No need to wait for it to come from factory
http://www.renault-trucks.co.uk/news/top-performer-achieves-1113-mpg-in-renault-truck-commercials-demo-programme.html

[harry_monk]

mixer driver too:
Have you thought about a Renault Premium. £20k cheaper to start with. The cab would probably not be the best for Long Haul but on the mileage, fuel consumption by about 1mpg would save you ££££££`s. Renault cardiff have them in stock. No need to wait for it to come from factory
http://www.renault-trucks.co.uk/news/top-performer-achieves-1113-mpg-in-renault-truck-commercials-demo-programme.html

I would choose a Premium over a Magnum any day, there is a reason why second-hand Magnums sell for thousands of pounds less than an equivalent Premium despite costing thousands of pounds more to buy when new, and it isn’t because they are better.

[mysonvinnie]

I suppose the reason i haven’t look at premiums is the size aspect, I have it stuck in my head that they are the equivalent of a daf cf! Might take a trip to The local dealer and take a peek.

[mixer_driver_too]

Rernault premium Long Distance

Renault Premium consumption

http://www.renault-trucks.co.uk/premium-long-distance/comfort-premium-long-distance.html

[nextdrop]

Firstly the question should be asked what you moving ? I ran a couple of walking floors a couple of years back and they aren’t the lightest things in the world so that coupled with a big 6x2 and you looking probably around 21.5 tonnes payload.

Now I’ve also run a magnum (480 dxi) which restored my faith in renault I had one on a 12 month lease and it clocked 170k no problems and the dealer was very good. (Essex Trucks Thurock) It was well put together and I imagine a flat floor would be great at a peage.

If money and time were no option I would probably go for a 105xf with 19 inch wheel option on the midlift you still easily get well over 1100 ltrs onboard and I think daf dealers are more consistent. I’ve currently run two XF 105 and have no issues

If you need a truck quickly then renault look to be the only ones who have chassis in stock at most dealerships ready to go and I would estimate them being about £300 per month cheaper on a lease than daf

[lrm]

I think i would go with billybigrigs advice, I was thinking the same myself…

“back on uk work soon enough”

Lrm

[limeyphil]

Harry Monk:

limeyphil:
i think it’s a good idea to run a 6 legger in europe, no chance of being overweight on the drive axle.

You’d have to make a real effort to do that, you are allowed 13 tonnes on the drive axle in France.

just like in the UK, it depends on who pulls you, if the plate says 11.5/10.5 tons, then he may wish to make his 10% commision if you are over. the law is one thing, interpretation, and on the spot fines are another thing altogether.
but apart from that, will the truck come back to the UK? will it cross any other EU borders?
i think there is more scope for future use with an extra axle, and less chance of a blow out.

[wheel_nut]

limeyphil:

Harry Monk:

limeyphil:
i think it’s a good idea to run a 6 legger in europe, no chance of being overweight on the drive axle.

You’d have to make a real effort to do that, you are allowed 13 tonnes on the drive axle in France.

just like in the UK, it depends on who pulls you, if the plate says 11.5/10.5 tons, then he may wish to make his 10% commision if you are over. the law is one thing, interpretation, and on the spot fines are another thing altogether.
but apart from that, will the truck come back to the UK? will it cross any other EU borders?
i think there is more scope for future use with an extra axle, and less chance of a blow out.

The ministry plate means not a jot to the French, they go off the vehicle design or the build sheets you should be carrying in the vehicle documents

[routier]

£400 if its in your budget will get you one decent motor on a lease… avoid Scania… Mercedes or Daf would be my choice for 2 man… Volvo FH XL otherwise… brother has one on lease 6x2 XL 500 ,less than your budget too…, unreal on fuel… hes doin Fridge work

[ben9]

Where in Spain are you going too■■?

If you are going much further than Barcelona you will be pushing it to do a round trip in a week.

[mysonvinnie]

Ben9:
Where in Spain are you going too■■?

If you are going much further than Barcelona you will be pushing it to do a round trip in a week.

Going to aspe, looking at the Santander ferry crossing.

[quinny]

routier:
£400 if its in your budget will get you one decent motor on a lease… avoid Scania… Mercedes or Daf would be my choice for 2 man… Volvo FH XL otherwise… brother has one on lease 6x2 XL 500 ,less than your budget too…, unreal on fuel… hes doin Fridge work

I do agency work for a well known brick and block manufacturer, and I was talking to the traffic supervisor yesterday, who informed me that they have booked 20 vehicles for lease starting next Feb for 6 months initially, and they got the price down from £420 per week, to £385 per week, per unit. They are all 6x2 and less than 12 months old.

Ken.

[caledoniandream]

LRM:
I think i would go with billybigrigs advice, I was thinking the same myself…

“back on uk work soon enough”

Lrm

I would not, you can always retrofit one of these small pusher axles, even under a short chassis.
You can imagine the French gendarmes getting a stiffy if you run with 6 axles on the Tarmac, they know straight away that you are overloaded.
It gives it away there and than, asking for problems.
Can load a ton more without the mid lift, so it cannot be that difficult.
Also a (I hate French trucks) premium or the MaN are substantial lighter, this is the only thing that counts in bulk transport.
Dealer network for Renault is very good in France and Spain.
But IT’S gives a superb service for Daf
If I would do it, light truck light trailer, lift axle on the trailer with operation in the cab, so that you can lift the axle before you can go in the peage (works only in the automatic peage if you have a box)

[billybigrig]

caledoniandream:

LRM:
I think i would go with billybigrigs advice, I was thinking the same myself…

“back on uk work soon enough”

Lrm

I would not, you can always retrofit one of these small pusher axles, even under a short chassis.
You can imagine the French gendarmes getting a stiffy if you run with 6 axles on the Tarmac, they know straight away that you are overloaded.
It gives it away there and than, asking for problems.
Can load a ton more without the mid lift, so it cannot be that difficult.
Also a (I hate French trucks) premium or the MaN are substantial lighter, this is the only thing that counts in bulk transport.
Dealer network for Renault is very good in France and Spain.
But IT’S gives a superb service for Daf
If I would do it, light truck light trailer, lift axle on the trailer with operation in the cab, so that you can lift the axle before you can go in the peage (works only in the automatic peage if you have a box)

Well I’ve run all over the place in 6 leggers and as far as the Gendarmes etc are concerned, not once has the extra axle caused suspicion of overloading. In fact many times the opposite effect has occured. When the Gendarmes used to hover at the Nantes peage with the axle weigher, they would often spot our 6 leggers and knowing fullwell the drive axles would be OK pulled us out of line and waved us off Good job really
Loads of Brits run 6 leggers without sticking out from the crowd and always have done. Cheltenham airways, Superfullobollicsfridgelogistics, Pulleyns, etc etc etc

Also if they lease a 4 wheeler and slap a set of stablilisers on it, I wouldn’t see the lease company being massively impressed.Not to mention it’s not as cheap as you’d imagine when you take into account you’d need new fuel tanks etc and then have to re plate it and then return to standard when it goes back. A little more plausible if you buy the unit granted

I also suggested a standard 6 legger as it would be more flexible within there own fleet when/if it isn’t in Spain. Remember that the axle positions on newer 44 ton trailers make it difficult to pull them with a 4x2 and not overload the pin at 40ton unless you load them carefully.

Also, with no disrespect to the poster, when an operator inexperienced in this particular area who’s quoted via calculator rather than knowledge and experience often gets a big shock when the hills eat the predicted diesel and time like a fat chick at a buffet Not to mention the constant interruption of the perfect one a week scenario by holidays and other such things.

All in all, good reasons to lease a UK friendly spec lorry

Well I’m off to sit quietly in the corner while the pedants, the enraged and the google experts get going

[harry]

Nothing makes my blood boil more than people who talk sound common sense borne from personal experience!!!

[mysonvinnie]

billybigrig:

caledoniandream:

LRM:
I think i would go with billybigrigs advice, I was thinking the same myself…

“back on uk work soon enough”

Lrm

I would not, you can always retrofit one of these small pusher axles, even under a short chassis.
You can imagine the French gendarmes getting a stiffy if you run with 6 axles on the Tarmac, they know straight away that you are overloaded.
It gives it away there and than, asking for problems.
Can load a ton more without the mid lift, so it cannot be that difficult.
Also a (I hate French trucks) premium or the MaN are substantial lighter, this is the only thing that counts in bulk transport.
Dealer network for Renault is very good in France and Spain.
But IT’S gives a superb service for Daf
If I would do it, light truck light trailer, lift axle on the trailer with operation in the cab, so that you can lift the axle before you can go in the peage (works only in the automatic peage if you have a box)

Well I’ve run all over the place in 6 leggers and as far as the Gendarmes etc are concerned, not once has the extra axle caused suspicion of overloading. In fact many times the opposite effect has occured. When the Gendarmes used to hover at the Nantes peage with the axle weigher, they would often spot our 6 leggers and knowing fullwell the drive axles would be OK pulled us out of line and waved us off Good job really
Loads of Brits run 6 leggers without sticking out from the crowd and always have done. Cheltenham airways, Superfullobollicsfridgelogistics, Pulleyns, etc etc etc

Also if they lease a 4 wheeler and slap a set of stablilisers on it, I wouldn’t see the lease company being massively impressed.Not to mention it’s not as cheap as you’d imagine when you take into account you’d need new fuel tanks etc and then have to re plate it and then return to standard when it goes back. A little more plausible if you buy the unit granted

I also suggested a standard 6 legger as it would be more flexible within there own fleet when/if it isn’t in Spain. Remember that the axle positions on newer 44 ton trailers make it difficult to pull them with a 4x2 and not overload the pin at 40ton unless you load them carefully.

Also, with no disrespect to the poster, when an operator inexperienced in this particular area who’s quoted via calculator rather than knowledge and experience often gets a big shock when the hills eat the predicted diesel and time like a fat chick at a buffet Not to mention the constant interruption of the perfect one a week scenario by holidays and other such things.

All in all, good reasons to lease a UK friendly spec lorry

Well I’m off to sit quietly in the corner while the pedants, the enraged and the google experts get going

What I was after was some advice from people who have experience in doing these sort of runs and what cab they would choose.
I personally have no experience of purchasing a vehicle for euro work, I have spent several year on the continent but that was many moons ago.
Is it wrong of me to ask for advice and tips?
I am aware of fuel costs, weeks away, running costs of both truck and driver.

I have a budget to run too and simply wanted peoples opinions on what to go for within the budget. It is not a case of being quoted via a calculator it is a case of having the best unit for the job

[welshboyinspain]

MysonVinnie:

Ben9:
Where in Spain are you going too■■?

If you are going much further than Barcelona you will be pushing it to do a round trip in a week.

Going to aspe, looking at the Santander ferry crossing.

have you seen how much that crossing costs about 900 euros each way, thats a hefty bit out of the rate straight away.
make sure whatever truck you get it’s got a decent size engine as their are some huge hills in spain, not anything like the M62 or shap
and a decent sized cab for personal comfort maybe a mage space merc or a superspace daf