New housing estates in the UK

A journalist has mentioned not 1.5 million new homes but 1.9 million new houses that will be available for migrants to live in to cut the cost of the hotel bill.

Planning laws will be changed, the green belt land will be utilised, any local people will not a get say in the matter to say they don’t want young men from Sudan, Eretrea, Syria,Iraq and Afghanistan.

Nationwide dispersal of which the government call it as Operation Scatter, has already been implemented for a while now, this is using social or council housing for migrants to use including people who have had their asylum rejected can stay in the country and have somewhere to live.

All well and good throwing rediculous numbers around, where are the going to find enough people qualified to build the aforementioned houses. Has anyone bothered to check the availability of materials, has anyone informed them of the worldwide shortage of timber?

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That’s a good point, there’s a nationwide shortage of reliable and dependable tradesmen that will be needed to build all these new homes.

We used to have really good tradesmen from Eastern Europe but they have all gone home, the few that stayed had to pay £800 for a visa and comply to new requirements.

Meanwhile there’s 90,000 men sat in prison cells for 23 hours per day doing naff all with their time that could be used for construction skills training and get their certification in all the trades needed.

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Telegraph Behind a paywall

Those pay walls are so annoying.

the builders will come on the 14:00 ferry from dunkirk. or maybe they will declare a national shortage again and import the mud hut people. As to timber… that isnt an issue go down to your local hardware center and have a look at “casing” its just recycled mush

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It’s not really a paywall as such but here’s the article anyway :slight_smile:


Migrants housed in a Comfort Inn in Pimlico

The Government has announced that it will spend £2 billion to build up to 18,000 social and affordable homes – but who will get them? It’s part of their plan to build 1.5 million new homes over the course of this Parliament. Many responses to this were sceptical however. It has been suggested that these homes will be used to house asylum seekers.

That is because the Government’s Office for Value for Money has concluded that the expensive migrant hotels, which Labour promised to shut down, will need to stay open for several years to come. However, they write in their report, the 1.5 million new homes will help to reduce that.

On the face of it, that might seem sensible. After the election, the Chancellor claimed that £4.6 billion of overspending on migrant hotels was part of a supposed £22 billion black hole. It costs £145 per night to keep an asylum seeker in a hotel, which is partly to blame for spending per asylum seeker soaring from £17,000 in 2020 to £41,000 now.

In contrast, putting them into dispersal accommodation, like houses and flats, costs £14 a night.

However, there were 8,000 more asylum seekers living in hotels at the end of last year than there were at the time of the General Election last July. That has been driven by more asylum seekers appealing their rejected claims, with the initial grant rate for asylum dropping from 75 per cent in 2022 to 47 per cent last year. There has also been an increase in small boat crossings, with more than 5,000 crossing the Channel already this year, a 24 per cent higher rate at this point in the year than last year.

So long as the flow of asylum seekers continues, the migrant hotels will have to stay open. Labour’s plan to smash the gangs doesn’t seem to be working, leaving the Government scrambling for new ideas, like “return hubs” in the Balkans. The Italians have already tried this and failed, and, with human rights laws, it seems unlikely it would work for the UK either.

Those who do successfully get asylum often find themselves homeless, with 20,000 in this position by last November. At that point, councils are often required to house them in some of their limited stock of social housing or temporary accommodation.

That means that demand for these new social houses could be overwhelmed just by the number of asylum seekers already here, let alone the mounting numbers coming. In that case, many Nimbys might be justified in opposing new developments, if they will end up primarily benefiting asylum seekers rather than the British people who find themselves unable to get on the property ladder.

There are already calls for the Government to bring in migrant workers to build these homes which, combined with the number of those on skilled worker visas increasingly claiming asylum, creates the absurd possibility of immigrants claiming asylum and ending up living in the very homes they got a visa to build in the first place.

The asylum system is broken. The Government might want to listen to bolder voices in their own party, like Jonathan Brash MP, who has called for them to disapply the ECHR and deport foreign criminals. Only when they can secure our borders and stop the flow of new asylum seekers will it make sense to build more homes. In the meantime, British people will find themselves paying their taxes to build social housing they may never occupy.

Living the Socialist dream.
At best in a Soviet style crap hole urbanisation like North Stowe in Cambridgeshire.
Surrey goes the way of Middlesex what’s left of its countryside another version of Richmond and Bushey Parks with some hills.
Farmland buried under concrete and solar panels and an immigrant population explosion to feed.

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Meanwhile London has already taken massive swathes of the Home Counties for its continuing insatiable expansion.Including the total wipe out of Middlesex and now, what remains of, Surrey about to go the same way.
The unarguable conclusion being that, not only do the areas with the highest amounts of urbanisation also have the largest amounts of housing shortages.
No one with any sense actually wants to live in the environment created by continuously trying to solve the problem with yet more urbanisation.
Then they move out of the resulting London Borough crap holes calling for yet more urbanisation of the Home Counties to meet their demands.
Then they call us nimbys.
Which is bs so so long as we have the freedom to move away and let em have the place.Except that now nowhere is safe from this Soviet style infrastructure and urbanisation nightmare.
Where if it’s not a North Stowe type new town it’s a landscape of solar panels.Who needs farming and food in this Commy utopia.

As a child visiting east London I can remember how run down and grotty it was, I can recall the smell of pollution on my clothes when returning home.

That area is now completely changed to a modern and thriving district especially Shoreditch, a bustling area full of trendy bistros, cafes and restaurants.

It’s fairly possible to spot the odd celebrity wandering around the Columbia Road flower market where you may see 10 guys standing in the road selling bikes that are worth £3000 or more for £20 to £100 to pay for their next “fix”!

Or some big clay flower pots that are available to buy.

I remember going to see my favourite great aunt in Moorfields eye hospital probably in around '58 or '59 and the whole area was still a bomb site.

A lot of the old town truck parks in London, Aldgate roundabout and ‘The Ramp’ at Shoreditch…(an old railway station? ) were bomb sites.
There were stories in the 70s of trucks parking up on wasteground in London and them sinking through what used to be cellars.
When I used to travel with mates as a lad in the 70s,.and then started driving myself soon after, London was a whole different scene to today…as many of you will already know.

In this case it’s more about how more urbanisation won’t solve urban problems.People aren’t designed to live in high density housing estates and high rise blocks .
Sooner or later the natural urge to flee the urban environment kicks in.Which creates the usual cycle of green field destruction and development and low rise turning to high rise followed by population flight and urban decay.
All to maximise the profits for the developers.
That’s the sound of what remains of Surrey screaming for its survival.Not a nimby.

I’m surprised you’re not embracing that, it’s as far away from the communist and socialist ethos you love to hate.