New EU rules for Tachographs

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After seeing this in another thread, and having nothing better to do, I thought I would extract some of the more interesting parts of this for those of you who don’t have the time. If I miss anything important; please point it out. This is just a few points that I thought interesting - many are no different to the current rules.

I can find no mention at all about axle weight recording.

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3.12.5 Places and positions where daily work periods begin, end, and/or where 3 hours’ continuous driving time is reached

(108) The recording equipment shall record and store in its data memory:
— places and positions where the driver and/or the co-driver begins his daily work period;
— positions where the continuous driving time of the driver reaches a multiple of three hours;
— places and positions where the driver and/or the co-driver ends his daily work period.

(109) When the position of the vehicle is not available from the GNSS receiver at these times, the
recording equipment shall use the latest available position, and the related date and time.

(110) Together with each place or position, the recording equipment shall record and store in its data
memory:
— the (co-)driver card number and card issuing Member State,
— the card generation,
— the date and time of the entry,
— the type of entry (begin, end or 3 hours continuous driving time),
— the related GNSS accuracy, date and time if applicable;
— the vehicle odometer value.

3.19 Remote communication for targeted roadside checks

(197) When the ignition is on, the Vehicle Unit shall store every 60 seconds in the remote communication
facility the most recent data necessary for the purpose of targeted roadside checks. Such data shall be
encrypted and signed as specified in Appendix 11 and Appendix 14.

(198) Data to be checked remotely shall be available to remote communication readers through wireless
communication, as specified in Appendix 14.

(199) Data necessary for the purpose of targeted roadside checks shall be related to:
— the latest security breach attempt,
— the longest power supply interruption,
— sensor fault,
— motion data error,
— vehicle motion conflict,
— driving without a valid card,
— card insertion while driving,
— time adjustment data,
— calibration data including the dates of the two latest stored calibration records,
— vehicle registration number,
— speed recorded by the tachograph.

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3 hours continuous driving time? Planning a reduction from the 4.5 hour max perhaps? That’ll make a lot of planners happy :smiley:

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It’ll shaft every single run I do if they do that. Many of them are around just 30-45 minutes more before I normally have a stop but it will mean double breaking every run I do. If its still a 45 minute break they’re going to have to double the size of the fleet just so day and night shift have wagons available to do the runs.

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Vid:
3 hours continuous driving time? Planning a reduction from the 4.5 hour max perhaps? That’ll make a lot of planners happy :smiley:

You misunderstand - It records where you are every three hours. There is no change to the hours rules.

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Santa:

Vid:
3 hours continuous driving time? Planning a reduction from the 4.5 hour max perhaps? That’ll make a lot of planners happy :smiley:

You misunderstand - It records where you are every three hours. There is no change to the hours rules.

Surely a pointless exercise or incorrect use of the word “continuous”?

Many won’t be driving for 3 hours uninterrupted and for those that do they’ll likely be around 150 miles from where they started, or 2 junctions further around the M25.

Why record something that serves no purpose for (probably) the majority unless there is an ulterior motive for doing so?

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Vid:
Why record something that serves no purpose for (probably) the majority unless there is an ulterior motive for doing so?

If I understood correctly, it will record a gps position every 3 hours, just to try and catch magnet users and the newer more sophisticated systems to record rest while driving.

Why would anyone object a better way of finding out people manipulating the system ?

Also, the remote checks would seem more on manipulating the tacho, and not focus on driving time.

Santa:
(199) Data necessary for the purpose of targeted roadside checks shall be related to:
— the latest security breach attempt,
— the longest power supply interruption,
— sensor fault,
— motion data error,
— vehicle motion conflict,
— driving without a valid card,
— card insertion while driving,
— time adjustment data,
— calibration data including the dates of the two latest stored calibration records,
— vehicle registration number,
— speed recorded by the tachograph.

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All they need to is get rid of the working time directive and poa…

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As far as I am aware, these are part of a whole raft of regulations primarily included under EC 165/2014. What is strange about these Regs is that they are being phased in over several years upto I think 2019/20. These Regs that you quote are the parameters that are being set for the next generation of Tachographs and how they record different things. They are not changing the actual Hours of Driving. GPS settings are the Digital answer to the Driver writing his start and end locations on an Analogue chart. As one contributor says, these will be married to vehicle movements, mileages and Driving without a card to show illegal activity.

These are the regs that are stipulating that enforcement Agencies can do remote downloads or more accurately that the equipment is capable of giving that option.

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Vid:
Why record something that serves no purpose for (probably) the majority unless there is an ulterior motive for doing so?

To catch out the minority. If you’re GPS at 1pm says you’re in Dover and at that time you were showing 2 hours driving time then at 7pm you’re somewhere in the Midlands but still only on 3 hours driving they’ll know that at some point you’ve been pulling the old magnet trick to drive round on break.

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Eu rules?will we be out before there implimented ?

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Better hurry up that Brexit! :open_mouth: :arrow_right: :arrow_right: :arrow_right: :arrow_right:

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It does say that these will not be required for domestic use, but only if you want to cross a border. That doesn’t mean that the UK government won’t decide that they want to make use of the “new” technology and implement it domestically anyway.

New trucks fitted with the new tacho’s will be backwards compatible, so even if the extra features are there, they don’t have to be used. There will be a 15 year overlap so we may have all thee systems in use at the same time.

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Question: is there a date when analogue/paper tachos will no longer by allowed?

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Franglais:
Question: is there a date when analogue/paper tachos will no longer by allowed?

Not that I can find - for UK work at least. I think that the assumption is that the trucks they are in will mostly be scrapped or sold abroad. Vintage trucks have different rules anyway - there are many with no tacho still running.

Are paper tacho’s still legal across the Channel?

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Santa:

Franglais:
Question: is there a date when analogue/paper tachos will no longer by allowed?

Not that I can find - for UK work at least. I think that the assumption is that the trucks they are in will mostly be scrapped or sold abroad. Vintage trucks have different rules anyway - there are many with no tacho still running.

Are paper tacho’s still legal across the Channel?

I know of UK reg and French reg trucks still using analogue tachos in Europe. As I understand it if their existing heads give up then they would have to be replaced with newer (latest) models. I`m open to correction on that of course.

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Franglais:

Santa:

Franglais:
Question: is there a date when analogue/paper tachos will no longer by allowed?

Not that I can find - for UK work at least. I think that the assumption is that the trucks they are in will mostly be scrapped or sold abroad. Vintage trucks have different rules anyway - there are many with no tacho still running.

Are paper tacho’s still legal across the Channel?

I know of UK reg and French reg trucks still using analogue tachos in Europe. As I understand it if their existing heads give up then they would have to be replaced with newer (latest) models. I`m open to correction on that of course.

I was told by the company who maintains, repairs and calibrates our tachos that they can alwayss put a revised in from the same model, so analogue with analogue and digi with digi.
Also there are still a lot of trucks out on the road who have not enough electronics on board to put a digitach in.
When I first heard the rumour of putting digis in older trucks, I asked them and they could not find anything about it. Accidentaly I aked them again 2 weeks ago, and they insist it is still the same.
I presume Santa is correct with assuming they will let die out the analogue ones.

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Interesting thread Santa, thanks for posting.

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Analogue / paper Tachos can be replaced by either a new Digital or new Analogue. There is NO requirement to replace Analogues with Digitals and that is specifically stated in the Regs. There is also NO date fixed to in effect “abolish” Analogues.