Carryfast:
5 drops so lets say around 60-80 miles between each drop.
5 drops, 60 - 80 miles apart? In a 10 hour shift?
Whats he in, a [zb] helicopter?
Yes sorry I was still in trunking/less bulk drops/pre loaded wagon mode.
Anyway itās obvious that Iām thinking along the lines of a 350 ish mile between leaving and getting back to the yard shift and around 5 drops done within that.
Still not a bad job in that case and still maybe possible to finish closer to 10 hours than 12 depending on route,traffic and time spent loading/tipping and on break.
Feel free to prefer the 25 drop 12 hour shift to be done in 10.Which knowing agencies is a good bet this job might just turn into when the OP collects the keys and notes.
āStill not a bad jobāā¦I love how you are judging an entirely fictional job youāve completely made up
Rjan:
Wait until youāve done a few days at the firm and feel as though you know what youāre doing in a morning, then sit down and figure out manual entries.
Couldnāt someone explain how itās done on here.So old school tacho just turn the paper chart over and write the manual entry on the graph conveniently provided remembering to use a felt tip pen.
Whereas with a digi tacho itās just a piece of plastic like a credit card that goes in a card reader unit slot ?.Now what are we supposed to do to write a manual entry bearing in mind that just writing it in a diary probably aināt going to cut it.Also whatās all this bollox about āprint outsā and which button do you press to get one and where is the paper for it put and who do you have to ask in the office to get it.Bearing in mind that blank tacho charts were issued by the box load numbers recorded and signed for and kept in the truck.The OP will obviously hit the ground running if he knows all this stuff before taking out the truck.
But there are so many permutations of the process (according to different brands and firmware versions of the tacho) and symbols involved, heās realistically going to need to read a manual or a cheat sheet for his specific tacho (and he wonāt know which until he gets there).
Some older tachos (more likely to be encountered on a rigid) used to require times to be entered UTC, and had other quirks the details of which I forget. It used to be so difficult that you had to sit down and plan the entries on paper before you actually made them, like the bloody German Enigma machine.
Itās a matter of opinion but Iād just say forget about it until he feels like heās in the swing of things in the morning.
If you get straight in the wagon in the morning and arenāt using the missing time to conceal anything, Iāve never heard of anyone getting in lumber for failing to make manual entries, and in such cases itās simply a matter of best practice or perfectionism.
Itās different of course in firms where youāre sometimes sat on the bench for an hour before youāre given a wagon, or thereās other faffing around before you get the keys. In those cases itās imperative to make manual entries as a normal practice.
But in the first days when the mental workload is high, and without a driver trainer available, Iād be inclined to concentrate on getting the more essential things right first.
Rjan:
If you get straight in the wagon in the morning and arenāt using the missing time to conceal anything, Iāve never heard of anyone getting in lumber for failing to make manual entries, and in such cases itās simply a matter of best practice or perfectionism.
Never done one, probably never will.
Only time I could forsee where I could actually be arsed to do so, would be if it meant me losing any pay.
Otherwise I would maybe just write something on the back of a printout, Iām sure that would suffice with the powers that be would it not?
Only time I could forsee where I could actually be arsed to do so, would be if it meant me losing any pay.
Otherwise I would maybe just write something on the back of a printout, Iām sure that would suffice with the powers that be would it not?
Agreed. Why would anyone need to do a manual entry? Tachograph time starts when you get into the truck.
I did work at one place last year which threatened to withhold wages if I didnāt do manual entries covering every single minute from the moment I walked in through the gate to the moment I walked out through it, I simply refused to work for them again.
Carryfast:
Anyway itās obvious that Iām thinking along the lines of a 350 ish mile between leaving and getting back to the yard shift and around 5 drops done within that.
Still not a bad job in that case and still maybe possible to finish closer to 10 hours than 12 depending on route,traffic and time spent loading/tipping and on break.
Feel free to prefer the 25 drop 12 hour shift to be done in 10.Which knowing agencies is a good bet this job might just turn into when the OP collects the keys and notes.
āStill not a bad jobāā¦I love how you are judging an entirely fictional job youāve completely made up
I was actually going by the OP description ānationwideā 5 or 6 drops.What have I missed or made up.
The fact that might be very likely to turn out to be 25 or 26 local drops when he gets the keys and the notes is another matter.
Carryfast:
Whereas with a digi tacho itās just a piece of plastic like a credit card that goes in a card reader unit slot ?.Now what are we supposed to do to write a manual entry bearing in mind that just writing it in a diary probably aināt going to cut it.Also whatās all this bollox about āprint outsā and which button do you press to get one and where is the paper for it put and who do you have to ask in the office to get it.Bearing in mind that blank tacho charts were issued by the box load numbers recorded and signed for and kept in the truck.The OP will obviously hit the ground running if he knows all this stuff before taking out the truck.
But there are so many permutations of the process (according to different brands and firmware versions of the tacho) and symbols involved, heās realistically going to need to read a manual or a cheat sheet for his specific tacho (and he wonāt know which until he gets there).
Some older tachos (more likely to be encountered on a rigid) used to require times to be entered UTC, and had other quirks the details of which I forget. It used to be so difficult that you had to sit down and plan the entries on paper before you actually made them, like the bloody German Enigma machine.
Itās a matter of opinion but Iād just say forget about it until he feels like heās in the swing of things in the morning.
If you get straight in the wagon in the morning and arenāt using the missing time to conceal anything, Iāve never heard of anyone getting in lumber for failing to make manual entries, and in such cases itās simply a matter of best practice or perfectionism.
Itās different of course in firms where youāre sometimes sat on the bench for an hour before youāre given a wagon, or thereās other faffing around before you get the keys. In those cases itās imperative to make manual entries as a normal practice.
But in the first days when the mental workload is high, and without a driver trainer available, Iād be inclined to concentrate on getting the more essential things right first.
That would have been like me saying I think Iāll just leave it and not bother when I had to use a tacho for the first time after leaving the council.Including having to sort out setting the clock on a Veeder Root v Keinzle and the different charts required for both and some trucks having auto tachos and some not.
Anyway thanks for confirming the OPās ( and my ) worst fears about digi tachos.
robroy:
Otherwise I would maybe just write something on the back of a printout, Iām sure that would suffice with the powers that be would it not?
Thatāll do for me.Now where do we get the paper for the print out.Where/how do we put it in the tacho when weāve got it.How do we tell the tacho to print and how do we tell it to stop.
Only time I could forsee where I could actually be arsed to do so, would be if it meant me losing any pay.
Otherwise I would maybe just write something on the back of a printout, Iām sure that would suffice with the powers that be would it not?
Agreed. Why would anyone need to do a manual entry? Tachograph time starts when you get into the truck.
I did work at one place last year which threatened to withhold wages if I didnāt do manual entries covering every single minute from the moment I walked in through the gate to the moment I walked out through it, I simply refused to work for them again.
Blimey Harry I used to write a manual entry on my tacho charts covering all the time they were out of the truck showing a continuous 24 hour record.
Just go and do the job, itās all good asking people stuff but when it comes to your working time and driving regs, you need to keep yourself right. You will pick it up, manual entries are easy unless you rush it lol look on YouTube thereās some good videos on how to use tacho units. Go and give it a go if you mess it up itās all experience, just take your time. Make sure you do your vehicle checks and donāt let them force you to run bent. I walked out of my first 2 agency jobs because of companyās telling me to take out a dodgy vehicle and the other telling people to put there 45 min on so I could run around their warehouse picking.
update on my job i was starting! dissapointed to say the least the agency messed things up and sent 2 drivers for 1 class 2 role!
and guess who the client sends home me!!
arrived at site 5.45am to meet the client chris at 6am ,met chris and another bloke who works alongside chris desk after turning up and meeting they shortly realised very fast that hang on theirs 2 class 2 drivers here for 1 position,shortly after the other new class 2 driver turned up! we are both sitting down listening to the client chris and his friend speak about its a role for 1 person why have the agency sent out 2 drivers, anyhow became very clear the client wanted 1 driver and 1 of us was going to get the chop after 10-20mins which felt like a whole day with the client trying to get hold of the agency so they could give one of us the chop they got through in the end to the agency but not the driving dep they needed to speak to brandon who dealt with the drivers side of agency.
the client said to the other chap(class 2) that it was him that apparently the agency sent a cancellation email out for the role and that it was him that would have to go, but i learned quite fast that chris favourtised the other bloke more than me even though apparently he had been sent the email! , the other class 2 driver had no clue of this apparently?! they said to me i could make a cup of tea so i went canteen come back 5 mins later and stil no news and then all of sudden they they claim its me who wasnāt supposed to be there!, the goal posts definately moved and i felt it in the air dissapointed to say the least shook there hand and left the site
Not a problem mateā¦ Agency ā ā ā ā s up they have to pay for your time.!!..end of, a dayās wages, no arguments.
Donāt let them ā ā ā ā you about, you turned up on time in good faith, you did your bit, THEY ā ā ā ā ed up ā¦itās not your fault. :
Do not lose a dayās pay for it, they have more money than you.
seand90:
update on my job i was starting! dissapointed to say the least the agency messed things up and sent 2 drivers for 1 class 2 role!
and guess who the client sends home me!!
arrived at site 5.45am to meet the client chris at 6am ,met chris and another bloke who works alongside chris desk after turning up and meeting they shortly realised very fast that hang on theirs 2 class 2 drivers here for 1 position,shortly after the other new class 2 driver turned up! we are both sitting down listening to the client chris and his friend speak about its a role for 1 person why have the agency sent out 2 drivers, anyhow became very clear the client wanted 1 driver and 1 of us was going to get the chop after 10-20mins which felt like a whole day with the client trying to get hold of the agency so they could give one of us the chop they got through in the end to the agency but not the driving dep they needed to speak to brandon who dealt with the drivers side of agency.
the client said to the other chap(class 2) that it was him that apparently the agency sent a cancellation email out for the role and that it was him that would have to go, but i learned quite fast that chris favourtised the other bloke more than me even though apparently he had been sent the email! , the other class 2 driver had no clue of this apparently?! they said to me i could make a cup of tea so i went canteen come back 5 mins later and stil no news and then all of sudden they they claim its me who wasnāt supposed to be there!, the goal posts definately moved and i felt it in the air dissapointed to say the least shook there hand and left the site
cant believe the agency has messed me about!!
Dam, thatās a crap thing to happen on your first day. It sounds to me like the agency didnāt mess you about, it was the other driver (who may or may not have pretended he didnāt get the cancellation email ) so he too could get paid full shift if he were the one to be sent home and the client who may or may not have had this other driver do work for them beforeā¦itās a tough gig with most agencies out there. Keep trying, sign up with more (all) agencies in your area, something will come along.
Welcome, you are now a fully indoctrinated agency driver. This sort of thing happens too often. Their mistake they pay for it . Get registered with all of them, remember there is no loyalty in this game, dog eats dog.
seand90:
update on my job i was starting! dissapointed to say the least the agency messed things up and sent 2 drivers for 1 class 2 role!
and guess who the client sends home me!!
arrived at site 5.45am to meet the client chris at 6am ,met chris and another bloke who works alongside chris desk after turning up and meeting they shortly realised very fast that hang on theirs 2 class 2 drivers here for 1 position,shortly after the other new class 2 driver turned up! we are both sitting down listening to the client chris and his friend speak about its a role for 1 person why have the agency sent out 2 drivers, anyhow became very clear the client wanted 1 driver and 1 of us was going to get the chop after 10-20mins which felt like a whole day with the client trying to get hold of the agency so they could give one of us the chop they got through in the end to the agency but not the driving dep they needed to speak to brandon who dealt with the drivers side of agency.
the client said to the other chap(class 2) that it was him that apparently the agency sent a cancellation email out for the role and that it was him that would have to go, but i learned quite fast that chris favourtised the other bloke more than me even though apparently he had been sent the email! , the other class 2 driver had no clue of this apparently?! they said to me i could make a cup of tea so i went canteen come back 5 mins later and stil no news and then all of sudden they they claim its me who wasnāt supposed to be there!, the goal posts definately moved and i felt it in the air dissapointed to say the least shook there hand and left the site
cant believe the agency has messed me about!!
Dam, thatās a crap thing to happen on your first day. It sounds to me like the agency didnāt mess you about, it was the other driver (who may or may not have pretended he didnāt get the cancellation email ) so he too could get paid full shift if he were the one to be sent home and the client who may or may not have had this other driver do work for them beforeā¦itās a tough gig with most agencies out there. Keep trying, sign up with more (all) agencies in your area, something will come along.
yep i dont think it was the agency as they told me when i went to their office that they txt the other bloke nathan on friday to not show up and he text back and confirmed and he still took it upon himself to turn up and try his luck
the client i was meeting chris and jonathon had a email from agency confirming nathan had been cancelled and at first in the office jonathan told nathan apparently its you thats got to go he shrugged his shoulders said nothingā¦i felt bad for him .chris and jonathon said i could go make a tea i felt bad went to the canteen come back and the clients still hadnt spoke to agency and they was unsure then all of a sudden they said its me thats got to go i didnt argue i shook their hands with respect and left. all this whilst the other bloke nathan knew it was him really and he shouldnt of wentā¦either way client chose him over me even though agency instructed the other fella not to go
f***kin annoying agency said there going to talk to the client and promised me i would be in tomorrow, they said that the client would have to pay me i said to the agency you will have to pay me the days wage im embarrased they said they cant promise and they would talk to client and get back to meā¦
robroy:
Otherwise I would maybe just write something on the back of a printout, Iām sure that would suffice with the powers that be would it not?
Thatāll do for me.Now where do we get the paper for the print out.Where/how do we put it in the tacho when weāve got it.How do we tell the tacho to print and how do we tell it to stop.
I never thought I would say this on here ā¦, but that is how a dcpc course helps.
If youāve been out of the game for a bit, Iām sure you will know that you will need one.
seand90:
update on my job i was starting! dissapointed to say the least the agency messed things up and sent 2 drivers for 1 class 2 role!
and guess who the client sends home me!!
arrived at site 5.45am to meet the client chris at 6am ,met chris and another bloke who works alongside chris desk after turning up and meeting they shortly realised very fast that hang on theirs 2 class 2 drivers here for 1 position,shortly after the other new class 2 driver turned up! we are both sitting down listening to the client chris and his friend speak about its a role for 1 person why have the agency sent out 2 drivers, anyhow became very clear the client wanted 1 driver and 1 of us was going to get the chop after 10-20mins which felt like a whole day with the client trying to get hold of the agency so they could give one of us the chop they got through in the end to the agency but not the driving dep they needed to speak to brandon who dealt with the drivers side of agency.
the client said to the other chap(class 2) that it was him that apparently the agency sent a cancellation email out for the role and that it was him that would have to go, but i learned quite fast that chris favourtised the other bloke more than me even though apparently he had been sent the email! , the other class 2 driver had no clue of this apparently?! they said to me i could make a cup of tea so i went canteen come back 5 mins later and stil no news and then all of sudden they they claim its me who wasnāt supposed to be there!, the goal posts definately moved and i felt it in the air dissapointed to say the least shook there hand and left the site
cant believe the agency has messed me about!!
Dam, thatās a crap thing to happen on your first day. It sounds to me like the agency didnāt mess you about, it was the other driver (who may or may not have pretended he didnāt get the cancellation email ) so he too could get paid full shift if he were the one to be sent home
Youāre probably correct technically, but surely the agency needs to take responsibility for it do you not think?
It certainly aint the o/pās fault whatever the circumstances, so imo they should pay the lad 8 hours min, stuff the āāWe canāt promiseāā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā they fed him.
Itās natural to feel a bit anxious and awkward, likewise it easy for me to say donātā¦
As has been said sign up with more agencies and look after YOURSELF in this game. Does Nathan feel bad that he may result in you losing a days wage? Does he ā ā ā ā ā¦
On that subject itās not important who pays - agency or client - what is important is that you get your eight hours because youāve held up your part of the bargain. Donāt let it drop and become a doormat because it will happen again and it will be you who gets sent home because they know they can get away with it.
This is the agencyās fault they owe you 8 hours pay, persue it no 1/2 measures like a āpromisedā good job coming up - thatāll be a load of ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā . There are plenty of agencies around all wanting to cut each otherās throat so I wouldnāt worry about being blacklisted. Start off the way you mean to go on, itās best to understand one another from the word go. No āoh we canāt get it back off the clientā tough, they are in business things go wrong and cost you.
) so he too could get paid full shift if he were the one to be sent home and the client who may or may not have had this other driver do work for them beforeā¦itās a tough gig with most agencies out there. Keep trying, sign up with more (all) agencies in your area, something will come along.