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LisasGuy:
We now have to leave our tacho cards in the truck recording at least 15 minutes work at the end of a shift or its an infringement.

As a TM who uses Tachomaster for our drivers monitoring, I can tell you that is utter bull excrement. As soon as you have done everything, you pull your card, and go. Which knob thought that idea up?

If they wanted to get really funny however, if when you exit the cab, and you have to go into the office to be debriefed, that is other work for which you would have to do a manual entry the following day to cover that, (On the previous days recordings) however, I don’t think that the DVSA would be that bothered for 5 minutes.

Jesus. Where does this madness end?

Ken.

Another three million on the way from Hong Kong

chrisdalott:
Another three million on the way from Hong Kong

Would that be three million LEGAL immigrants? You know the type; hard working, tax paying and extremely entrepreneurial. Pity we can’t shift three million workshy mother ■■■■■■ s the other way!

the maoster:

chrisdalott:
Another three million on the way from Hong Kong

Would that be three million LEGAL immigrants? You know the type; hard working, tax paying and extremely entrepreneurial. Pity we can’t shift three million workshy mother [zb] s the other way!

Thats quite the stereotype you have there

You disagree? Prove me wrong.

chrisdalott:

the maoster:

chrisdalott:
Another three million on the way from Hong Kong

Would that be three million LEGAL immigrants? You know the type; hard working, tax paying and extremely entrepreneurial. Pity we can’t shift three million workshy mother [zb] s the other way!

Thats quite the stereotype you have there

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thats quite an exact and accurate stereotype he has there.mores the pity. :unamused:

A hard thing for me to grasp is all these illegals trying to claim they are persecuted and are escaping a terrible system want to come here and then set up the very same system they claim is so oppressive. Send the lot back let’s look after our own. May be a little militant and off pc but they should go through the proper diplomatic and legal channels not illegally through English Channel. Rant over and hard hat on

the maoster:
You disagree? Prove me wrong.

Hmmm?
Either you are basing your opinion on facts, which you could refer to if you choose.
Or, you are basing your opinion on…what?
.
Surely it is up to anyone to justify any remarks they make?
Merely saying something, with no factual support, is a valid definition of prejudice?

Franglais:

the maoster:
You disagree? Prove me wrong.

Hmmm?
Either you are basing your opinion on facts, which you could refer to if you choose.
Or, you are basing your opinion on…what?
.
Surely it is up to anyone to justify any remarks they make?
Merely saying something, with no factual support, is a valid definition of prejudice?

As your whole ethos is playing Devils advocate regardless of whether you agree or disagree with a point why don’t you provide one of your links to disprove what I wrote? You never know maybe even your beloved WHO have done such a study.

the maoster:

Franglais:

the maoster:
You disagree? Prove me wrong.

Hmmm?
Either you are basing your opinion on facts, which you could refer to if you choose.
Or, you are basing your opinion on…what?
.
Surely it is up to anyone to justify any remarks they make?
Merely saying something, with no factual support, is a valid definition of prejudice?

As your whole ethos is playing Devils advocate regardless of whether you agree or disagree with a point why don’t you provide one of your links to disprove what I wrote? You never know maybe even your beloved WHO have done such a study.

This is in Latin so automatically proves me correct:
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Translation: What is asserted gratuitously may be denied gratuitously.
Variants: What is asserted without evidence/proof/reason, may/can be dismissed/denied without evidence/proof/reason.
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Latin_proverbs#Q

AKA:
Ooohhh Yes it is !
Ooohhh No it`s not !

Not convinced yet? Google Christoper Hitchen`s Razor then.

Summat else to ponder?
MAC the Migration Advisory Committee, set up by the Home Office, reported in 2018.
Heavy going, but here is a snippet from FullFact reporting on it

"The “no evidence” list
No evidence that migration has reduced the training of UK-born workers
No evidence that migration has reduced the quality of healthcare
No evidence that migration has reduced parental choice in schools or the educational attainment of UK-born children
No evidence that migration has any effect on crime rates in England and Wales
No evidence that migration has reduced the average level of subjective well-being in the UK
No evidence that people are less satisfied with their neighbourhoods than in the past
No evidence of higher or lower prosperity being associated with a higher or lower population
No evidence that migrants are more likely to be working under a zero hours contract than the UK born, nor is there evidence that they more likely to switch industries between two given quarters
No evidence of migrants having preferential access to social housing
In some of the evidence we do have, though, there remains a lot of uncertainty. Again, these will either mean there’s a gap in the existing evidence base, or the topics are inherently difficult to be certain about.

The “we don’t know” list
What impact immigration has on productivity—most studies say there is a positive impact
The impact immigration has on UK-born workers’ job opportunities—studies suggest there’s little to no overall impact, but possibly more negative for lower-skilled workers
Exactly how much immigrants need to earn to be a net benefit to the public finances—studies suggest an EEA immigrant household needs to earn about £30,000.
Exactly what wage impacts immigrants have on UK-born workers—studies suggest these are small but may be more negative for lower-skilled workers
The economic impacts immigrants will have over their lifetimes
The impacts of key government policies, including whether the government’s visa policies are bringing in the kinds of worker they intend to, and what non-EEA immigrants actually earn when they come to the UK. The report says there isn’t enough attention given to evaluating the impacts of policies."

fullfact.org/immigration/eu-imm … ned-today/

Of course, reading some of the rags that pass for newspapers in the UK, one might think that some of the topics appearing above were commonly known facts?
But the repeating of a lie doesn`t make it true. Hearing the same untruths repeatedly does tend to normalise them, but any of us who choose to try and think for ourselves need to be aware of this.
Go back and read “1984” again, mate. 2 plus 2 equals 5.

Nope, none the wiser. Probably would if I actually clicked on the links I suppose.

Pray tell however, what precisely was it in my original post that you decided to go all contrary on? Was it my assertion that overwhelmingly the native population of Hong Kong is hard working, industrious and entrepreneurial or was the bit when I said we should send 3 million workshy back to Hong Kong in return?

No links please :wink:

the maoster:
Nope, none the wiser. Probably would if I actually clicked on the links I suppose.

Pray tell however, what precisely was it in my original post that you decided to go all contrary on? Was it my assertion that overwhelmingly the native population of Hong Kong is hard working, industrious and entrepreneurial or was the bit when I said we should send 3 million workshy back to Hong Kong in return?

No links please :wink:

What I initially went “contrary on” was your “Punch and Judy” argument :

the maoster:
You disagree? Prove me wrong.

Since you gave no evidence or proof, how can anyone disprove what doesn`t exist?

That says far more about you than me I reckon. I have no links to back that up unfortunately.

the maoster:
That says far more about you than me I reckon. I have no links to back that up unfortunately.

Even without proof, I`ll accept that!
Thanks.

:wink:

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