New alcohol limit in Scotland

I see that you’ve blown under around 11am - Any indication of what your readings were earlier in the morning?

Found it.

youtube.com/watch?v=moUChycJzIc

I blew when I got up around 09:30 - well over (I was just under when I posted above) :wink: Hope it makes some think that when parked up for 11 off and have a few then maybe drive 8-9 hours after…could easily be over :open_mouth:

Truckbling:
Found it.

:blush: Suppose I’d better say sorry then :wink: Funny clip as well :laughing:

Odd days:
In no way do I condone drink driving, but the news said 20 deaths a year due to drink driving. I wonder how many deaths a year to drugs and violence and do you see the police targetting drug takers mob handed. Ie ring fence a club or pub and test every body for illegal substances then prosecute them. The synical side of me says there is money in moterists.

I am not sure there are to many laws about the actual taking of drugs im sure the law is about the possession and supply of drugs

Reef:
With any medication you are advised whether or not it is suitable to drive or not and YOU are responsible for what you consume whether it is 3 bottles of Night Nurse or 3 bottles of whiskey.

Using “I didn’t know” as an excuse is no excuse, you can read, so read the label, if it “May cause drowsiness” or contains alcohol (like some mouthwashes for example) then find an alternative product that doesn’t, honestly I swear to god some people haven’t got the barest level of intelligence and or common sense, yet have an inexplicably high capacity of blaming everyone/everything else for their own [zb]ing stupidity!

You didn’t get the point. If you had zero tolerance you could be over a drink drive limit for simply using a mouth wash for example. This would be simply ridiculous.

Ok the limit has changed but why? Did it really need to change? Was there such a issue that it just had to be done, countless accidents and lives lost?

cash cow for plod…itl make absolutely no difference whatsoever to joe public…except when their caught…im in northern Ireland where its the way it was regarding drink driving years ago in Scotland,i previously lived in Donegal,where its still today the same attitude to it as in the 60s…no public transport,and few taxis,so take car to the pub,get blocked,not a chance of walking in a straight line,plus itl be pishing down with rain anyway,so just rally the car back home again,the Taliban and cabbage eater truckies have similar habits as you see them blocked at 1 a.m parked up ,then you wakeup at 6 or 7 and their all gone,…its not going to make anyone change their normal drinking habits,itl just mean a few more get done,hence,cash cow again.

^^^Exactly, those who are ignorant and drink and drive and don’t give a…, (the problem ones) will just continue. All this new limit will do is catch out the ones from the night before the ‘‘innocent drink driver’’

I think if police stopped outside certain truck stops and checked drivers in the morning they would catch a large amount…
Many a time years ago iv woken up and thought god I hope I don’t get pulled.
I’m more sensible now but was stupid once.

yorkshire terrier:
I think if police stopped outside certain truck stops and checked drivers in the morning they would catch a large amount…
Many a time years ago iv woken up and thought god I hope I don’t get pulled.
I’m more sensible now but was stupid once.

there’s no TRUCKSTOPs anymore :grimacing:

dieseldog999:
cash cow for plod…itl make absolutely no difference whatsoever to joe public…except when their caught…im in northern Ireland where its the way it was regarding drink driving years ago in Scotland,i previously lived in Donegal,where its still today the same attitude to it as in the 60s…no public transport,and few taxis,so take car to the pub,get blocked,not a chance of walking in a straight line,plus itl be pishing down with rain anyway,so just rally the car back home again,the Taliban and cabbage eater truckies have similar habits as you see them blocked at 1 a.m parked up ,then you wakeup at 6 or 7 and their all gone,…its not going to make anyone change their normal drinking habits,itl just mean a few more get done,hence,cash cow again.

How can it be a “cash cow for plod” when the police don’t get any of the resulting fines, yet have to buy and maintain the kit, pay the doctors and laboratory fees, provide food and bedding for the arrested suspect, prepare the case files etc?

yorkshire terrier:
I think if police stopped outside certain truck stops and checked drivers in the morning they would catch a large amount…
Many a time years ago iv woken up and thought god I hope I don’t get pulled.
I’m more sensible now but was stupid once.

I remember ■■■■■■■ police used to sit outside Penrith truckstop in the 90s and they caught more than a few DUI at 5-6 in the morning.

Roymondo:

dieseldog999:
cash cow for plod…itl make absolutely no difference whatsoever to joe public…except when their caught…im in northern Ireland where its the way it was regarding drink driving years ago in Scotland,i previously lived in Donegal,where its still today the same attitude to it as in the 60s…no public transport,and few taxis,so take car to the pub,get blocked,not a chance of walking in a straight line,plus itl be pishing down with rain anyway,so just rally the car back home again,the Taliban and cabbage eater truckies have similar habits as you see them blocked at 1 a.m parked up ,then you wakeup at 6 or 7 and their all gone,…its not going to make anyone change their normal drinking habits,itl just mean a few more get done,hence,cash cow again.

How can it be a “cash cow for plod” when the police don’t get any of the resulting fines, yet have to buy and maintain the kit, pay the doctors and laboratory fees, provide food and bedding for the arrested suspect, prepare the case files etc?

jeeezzzzzzzzzzzz…cashcow for the government indirectly through plod then…pedantic or what??

where does the food and bedding part come into play■■?..youd be in a bare cell with a plastic skinny mattress so that it makes no difference if you pish on it or not if your lucky,possibly a cup of tea,and most likely a good kicking if your gobby in the morning…your only kept till you can blow a negative reading,then turfed out…noticeable expenditure…nil.

Dri-diddly-iver wrote

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We are both going out tomorrow night with friends where we shall mingle with other folk who are like minded and we’ll have just as much fun.
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like minded,mingle read ‘swingers’ :smiley:

dieseldog999:
where does the food and bedding part come into play■■?..youd be in a bare cell with a plastic skinny mattress so that it makes no difference if you pish on it or not if your lucky,possibly a cup of tea,and most likely a good kicking if your gobby in the morning…your only kept till you can blow a negative reading,then turfed out…noticeable expenditure…nil.

Don’t know when you were last arrested on a breath test, but these days it’s normal practice to be put before the next available court (no need to wait for laboratory analysis etc as the reading from the machine is all that’s required).

But the point remains - police get no income from fines so the idea that it’s a “cash cow for plod” is complete sphericals. Neither is it a “cash cow” for the court or the Government, since the costs of running the court etc far outweigh the couple of hundred pounds of a typical drink-drive fine.

the courts run to capacity anyway so no additional expenditure,anyone ive ever known to get done has waited 3-6 months before d day.hopefully il never know whats involved in getting done drunk driving,so I cant comment 1st hand.its only the same as mobile phones aet…just good for figures and easy meat for revenue

Good for what figures? Crime/clear-up rates etc don’t include drink-driving or mobile phone offences.

robinhood_1984:

skypilot:
A lower limit will hopefully reduce the deaths on the road and this can only be a good thing?

But will it? I have no access to the figures but I’m guessing that those 20 deaths in Scotland involving a drink driver were caused by people over the current UK limit, so lowering that in Scotland won’t make the slightest bit of difference in real terms. If someone has got hammered and decides to drive anyway, they’re not going to think “Och Aye! I’m slightly more over the limit now than I was last week, I’m now 7.5 pints above the limit, rather than my usual 7, perhaps I’ll call a taxi”…they’re going to carry on regardless and the only people being apprehended will be those who have had such a small amount of alcohol that it wouldn’t possibly have any real bearing on the situation but can be prosecuted due to a wider net being cast. I don’t drink myself so have no vested interest in defending those that do but I think that trying to claim that someone who’s had one single pint is a danger is just the same as prosecuting someone for doing 51 in a 50 zone or claiming that a driver who had 8.59 minutes off has gone 38 hours and 59 minutes without rest, which is how the prosecution present it in such cases, but in reality its a load of boolarks.

At the end of the day it wouldn’t bother me one bit if Scotland or the UK brought in prohibition and banned alcohol completely but I just view this change in the law cynically as a means to catch a larger group of otherwise normal safe people, while doing nothing to address the issue of preventing the very small number of people who drink a lot and then drive and cause carnage. The change in the law is targeting the wrong set of people entirely in my opinion. But I happen to think that’s the whole point.

Couldn’t agree more!

I find it quite incredible that the police either won’t or can’t produce figures re the quantity of alcohol drunk by those involved in serious, and particularly fatal accidents.

If it is the case that they won’t, my cynical mind reckons that it would show that those concerned/involve weren’t a couple of mg over the limit, but 2,3, or even 4 times the limit, and so the new law in Scotland won’t make the slightest bit of difference.

If it is the case that they can’t, then it’s a disgrace that in this day and age of technology, that their reporting/recording systems are grossly inefficient and simply ‘not fit for purpose’!

GOG47:
This is just another “nanny knows best” law in what is now the Socialist State of Scotland under the SNP! Sturgeon an Co have been on a mission for years now,hectoring us about how much we drink,eat and smoke.what songs we can sing at football matches,–I could go on but its too depressing.In no way would I condone drink driving but the Uniformed Wing of the SNP (Police Service of Scotland) hardly ever catch anyone rolling out of the pub at midnite hammered nowadays so they have asked for this new limit and so will catch otherwise law abiding citizens trying to go about their business the next day! All the idiots who go on about zero limit to make us safer should remember-when you give up freedoms in return for supposed greater safety you usually end up with neither.

Hear hear!!