New 45 second overtaking law in Germany

This was posted on our firm’s notice board today:

Dauert der Überholvorgang auf einer Autobahn mehr als 45 Sekunden, handelt es sich um eine rechtswidriges Verkehrsmanöver, das zu ahnden ist. Das berichtet die Deutsche Anwaltshotline unter Berufung auf einen Beschluss des Oberlandesgerichts Hamm (AZ: 4 Ss Owi 629/08.)
Im vorliegenden Fall fuhr ein Sattelzug auf der A 1 mehrere Kilometer links neben einem anderen Lkw, ohne diesen überholen zu können oder zu wollen. Insgesamt dauerte das Elefantenrennen 80 Sekunden. Dadurch wurden die schnelleren Autos auf der Überholspur ausgebremst — darunter auch eine Wagen der Autobahnpolizei. So konnten laut Deutscher Anwaltshotline die Beamten vor Gericht mit exakten Daten zum umstrittenen Verkehrsgeschehen aufwarten. Sie bezeugten, dass das überholte Fahrzeug während des Überholvorgangs seine Geschwindigkeit gleichmäßig beibehalten hatte.
Dem Sattelzugfahrer wurde zunächst eine Geldbuße wegen „Überholens trotz nicht wesentlich höherer Geschwindigkeit“ auferlegt, die er allerdings nicht bezahlen wollte. Da die Straßenverkehrsordnung keine genauen Angaben darüber macht, was eine „wesentlich höhere Geschwindigkeit“ ist, die zum Einleiten eines Überholvorganges berechtigt, war es nach Meinung der Hammer Richter an der Zeit eine Faustregel zu schaffen, die praktikabel ist und für Lkw und Pkw gleichermaßen gilt. Die Richter entschieden: Bußgeldrechtlich sind alle Überholvorgänge auf zweispurigen Autobahnen zu ahnden, die bei einer Dauer von mehr als 45 Sekunden beziehungsweise einer Differenzgeschwindigkeit von unter zehn Stundenkilometern zu einer deutlichen Behinderung anderer Verkehrsteilnehmer führen.

I banged this into the Google tranlate thingy but it came out as unintelligible crap, so I had a go myself…

An overtaking manoeuvre on an Autobahn lasting longer than 45 seconds, is considered to be an illegal traffic manoeuvre that is to be punished. This is reported by the “German Lawyers’ Hotline” with reference to a decision of the Higher Regional Court in Hamm.

In the case under consideration, an articulated lorry on the A1 drove for several kilometres to the left of another lorry, without being able, or not wanting to, overtake. Altogether, this “elephant race” lasted 80 seconds.Thereby, the faster vehicles in the “overtaking lane” were impeded in their progress, including a vehicle of the motorway police. Acording to the “German Lawyers’ Hotline”, the police officers were able to furnish the court with exact details of this controversial traffic situation. They testified that the vehicle being overtaken had maintained a constant speed during the overtaking manoeuvre.

The driver of the articulated lorry was subjected to a fine for “overtaking despite not having a significantly higher speed”, which he refused to pay.
Because the German highway code did not contain any precise details as to what constitutes a “significantly higher speed”, with which to justify an overtaking manoeuvre, it was time, in the opinion of the judges in Hamm, that a rule of thumb be created, that was practical and applied in equal measure to both lorries and cars.

The judges decided:
All overtaking manoeuvres on a 2 lane motorway, lasting more than 45 seconds, or alternatively, with a speed diferential of less than 10km/h, that cause a clear hindrance to other road users, are to be punished by a fine.

You have been warned, people :wink:

(Awaiting marks out of 10 from dieseldave :wink: )

My Grandad used to go to Germany, get tipped in 10 minutes, then run back empty.

I have to say, although other may people see this as a stupid new law, overtaking a vehicle at a 3MPH better race is pathetic. Unless it’s absolutely clear behind and you want to… fine. I’ve been on the motorway in my car doing 70MPH and a lorry infront is overtaking another lorry and momentarily the trucks are doing the same speed and then gradually after a minute or so the truck has overtaken. A minute may seem not so long now, but a minute to overtake is quite a long time. If you think of a car overtaking another car, it takes what around 4-5 seconds normally. 10MPH difference. Not even 4-5 seconds. I think this law should be brought into the UK.

I also think, not sure what other people think - slightly off topic, trucks should be limited to 62MPH (100KMH). I think it would be a more realistic motorway speed. Coaches are limited to 62MPH, I can’t see any reason why trucks would be limited to 56MPH. Maybe there’s a more detailed reason. Can someone enlighten me?

KevinKevin:
I have to say, although other may people see this as a stupid new law, overtaking a vehicle at a 3MPH better race is pathetic. Unless it’s absolutely clear behind and you want to… fine. I’ve been on the motorway in my car doing 70MPH and a lorry infront is overtaking another lorry and momentarily the trucks are doing the same speed and then gradually after a minute or so the truck has overtaken. A minute may seem not so long now, but a minute to overtake is quite a long time. If you think of a car overtaking another car, it takes what around 4-5 seconds normally. 10MPH difference. Not even 4-5 seconds. I think this law should be brought into the UK.

+1

Good idea, lets apply it to the A14.
When your sat behind in the slipstream you can feel a bit of speed left so you pull out but once the wind hits you you end up doing the same speed as the truck your passing, do you drop back in? no way you sit there blocking the road for ten minutes until you come to a climb or the guy next to you gets fed up and drops back.
I agree prosecute the inconsiderate numpties

Hi Inselaffe, I can only say that’s one of the best posts I’ve seen for quite a while. :smiley:

As for a mark out of 10, I think your effort is worth a “1” all day long. :grimacing:

:open_mouth: That’s because I’m using the German marking system. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :sunglasses:
[Schulnote “Eins.”] :wink:

Hervorragend and ausgezeichnet both seem somewhat inadequate …
Apart from the stunning quality of the transation, IMHO the info itself is REALLY good too.
However, I fear that many truck drivers will come a cropper now that there’s case-law on the subject. :frowning:

:open_mouth: I reckon that a similar notice to the one at your firm will soon be posted on every German police station notice board. :frowning:

Harry Monk:
My Grandad used to go to Germany, get tipped in 10 minutes, then run back empty.

:laughing: :laughing:

Harry Monk:
My Grandad used to go to Germany, get tipped in 10 minutes, then run back empty.

:open_mouth: … and I bet he didn’t need a permit. :wink: :grimacing:

dieseldave:
:open_mouth: … and I bet he didn’t need a permit. :wink: :grimacing:

Paper shortages at Biggin Hill and Manston…

Still, we’re all friends now!

Interesting idea but they have not addressed the issue of the vehicle being overtaken also taking appropriate action - IE, easing off a little to assist - maybe that is not part of the German HC…

i would have thought better to do the driver who is keeping the other truck out be it a truck, car or van pulling a trailer these in paticular annoy me in germany

Right , gentlemen and ladies, the law as regards
overtakeing, has been around for some time , also
it was posted some time ago about the10km
speed difference,

right here are two links to the same site one is in english
and the other is in german, if you get get babelfish
this programme gives a good translation,which makes sense when you read it

,BABELFISH

ENGLISH
The german side has more information than
the english,if you look on the link it has .3
columns,the first deals with the offense
in the next column is the OLD-PENALTY
Column 3 has the new penaltys which
you will see have risen rather ,;

::GERMAN

FOR those who carry HAZERDOUS;
ADR , goods .The Fines are even HIGHER
and are strictly enforced.

Suedehead:

Harry Monk:
My Grandad used to go to Germany, get tipped in 10 minutes, then run back empty.

:laughing: :laughing:

sorted :wink: :wink:

Harry I bet he still got the same FLAK off the sausage eaters as we do though!! :wink:

Harry Monk:
My Grandad used to go to Germany, get tipped in 10 minutes, then run back empty.

PMSL :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Harry Monk:
My Grandad used to go to Germany, get tipped in 10 minutes, then run back empty.

and he didn’t have to clear customs or get his CMR signed!!

Harry Monk:
My Grandad used to go to Germany, get tipped in 10 minutes, then run back empty.

Must’ve really flown coming back empty!! :wink:

Ross. :smiling_imp:

RTL featured this in their Nacht Journal on 11th Febuary.
I was parked up at Rhynern services on the A2 when the “roving reporter” (smarmy git with a microphone) was interviewing truck drivers.
Fame at last, I thought :smiley:
But I ended up on the cutting room floor… :cry: :cry: :cry: