DBATOM:
On the flip side, we’re the police deliberately driving at 35 - 40mph in a 50 limit in order to cause this situation. Is it only me that comes up behind lots of car drivers these days, driving well below the limit when the outside lane is out of bounds for HGV’s
A car doing 40 mph is perfectly legal and should not cause any problem.
The problem arises when a brain dead truck driver with no self control decides to try to bully said vehicles.
Here we [zb] go again.
(Firstly no surprise that you consider yourself one of the ‘‘Cut above the rest’’ in your answer to my last post btw, nothing like blowing your own trumpet…again.)
Nobody is saying a car doing 40, is illegal, but everybody else would consider it a bit stupid bordering on dangerous …and don’t chuck the ‘‘speed limit not target’’ thing at me, I fully understand all that.
Just because it’s legal it does not mean it’s either prudent or safe.
Imo an inept idiot in a car hogging a lane in a contra flow at 40mph, is nearly as bad as the inept idiot in the artic tailgating him.
No, here you go again. Doing 40 in a 50 is NOT stupid or dangerous and everybody would not agree. What is stupid and dangerous is the inept clown who has no self control, no discipline and a total disregard for others safety.
We are talking about tailgaters but don’t forget we also have the ones that travel too closely as well.There is a difference to keeping a safe gap. It is seen everyday even when it’s wet,foggy or bone dry.
Stop blaming the innocent for these clowns.
Bit of selective reading there Jake, and a bit too fast to jump…again.
I’ve already said the artic driver was an idiot, read the full post.
I’m sure when an idiot in a car travelling too slow for the conditions …albeit legally, can rest in peace safe in the knowledge that he actually was doing nothing wrong, his family could even put it on his tombstone.
‘‘Here lies Fred,.a bit stupid travelling slower than everybody else, but at least he was legal, and Jake said he was innnocent…RIP.’’
Or.
He could just look in his mirror and get tf back into lane 1, easing traffic flow… maybe even increase his speed a bit in conjunction with everybody else.
I know which option I’d go for.
Hey…maybe it’s just me who thinks sitting in traffic on a Mway roadworks much slower than everybody else is not a bit dumb, legalities aside…anybody else?
I’ll hold my hands up if I’m on my Jack here.
Bit of selective reading there Jake, and a bit too fast to jump…again. I’ve already said the artic driver was an idiot, read the full post. I’m sure when an idiot in a car travelling too slow for the conditions …albeit legally, can rest in peace safe in the knowledge that he actually was doing nothing wrong, his family could even put it on his tombstone. ‘‘Here lies Fred,.a bit stupid travelling slower than everybody else, but at least he was legal, and Jake said he was innnocent…RIP.’’ Or. He could just look in his mirror and get tf back into lane 1, easing traffic flow… maybe even increase his speed a bit in conjunction with everybody else. I know which option I’d go for. Hey…maybe it’s just me who thinks sitting in traffic on a Mway roadworks much slower than everybody else is not a bit dumb, legalities aside…anybody else? I’ll hold my hands up if I’m on my Jack here.
Not at all, I read that but you also think the car driver is an idiot■■? He or she is not an idiot.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to sit at 40 when it’s safe to do 50 with the amount of clowns on the road however the problem is the idiots that tailgate and not the driver that’s being tailgated.
All drivers are not so aware as yourself of the dangers. Some of them probably don’t even see the idiot behind them. Others get petrified by the clowns are are more likely to do something erratic because of said clown.
So as I said driving at 40 in a 50 through roadworks (as in this case) in lane one (as in this case) is not and should not be a problem. If it was the police would be prosecuting them as well.
Maybe the truck driver was not tailgating, merely slipstreaming, trying to build enough speed to overtake … That should be enough for the forum police to go into overdrive.
Personally I’ll spend my time concentrating on my own driving rather than acting as judge and jury on someone else’s life. If I concentrated enough on my own driving, maybe I’d not be attending a speed awareness course later this week
Say what you like Jake, …Generally speaking, whether in the right or in the wrong, whether legal or otherwise,…If a bloke in a car is sat a lot slower in lane 2 where lane 3 is closed, and the two lanes of faster moving traffic has built up behind him, and nobody wants to undertake him, to the point where he is looking like he is leading a two lane procession of traffic, and he looks in his mirror and refuses to pull back in or speed up a bit…simply because he is ‘‘Legal/Doing nothing wrong’’ , …He IS an idiot !, not just an idiot, but a self righteous idiot to boot.
I haven’t been on that road since July, but as I remember it has miles and miles of ‘average speed’ cameras, and only two lanes which are narrow, with cones and no hard shoulder. Some contraflow. It is also really busy.
From the police tweet it sounds as if the police were at the speed limit. If the driver thinks their behaviour was mitigated by the police dawdling along at 40mph, then their tacho and cam will be be evidence.
But there’s stupid, as in cars driving at 50mph in the middle lane of a 3 lane motorway, and there’s stupid as in dangerous driving …in a tanker.
Nite Owl:
The current agenda seems to be to catch people doing wrong rather than preventing it.
Absolutely right, if we saw more Police cars '‘patrolling’ the Mways, as we used to, bad practices would be vastly reduced, but it’s more lucrative to have cameras, and Police playing truckers in tractor units etc on one of their famous…‘purges’ .
If we were so called professionals then why would we need big brother and his henchmen watching our every move ?
DBATOM:
Maybe the truck driver was not tailgating, merely slipstreaming, trying to build enough speed to overtake … That should be enough for the forum police to go into overdrive.
Personally I’ll spend my time concentrating on my own driving rather than acting as judge and jury on someone else’s life. If I concentrated enough on my own driving, maybe I’d not be attending a speed awareness course later this week
Not sure if you’re going to get much of slipstream off a cop car to slingshot you past the other traffic, so I personally think it’s unlikely and although I’ve heard in advanced driving or at least motorcycling closing the gap once an overtake is on, I believe that’s for single carriageway roads so you spend as little time on the opposite side of the road as possible and I still don’t think you’re going to have to get so close as too be able to see where the number plate was made.
So I’m afraid to say the most likely scenario is that he was up the cars exhaust trying to push him on and make him close the gap in front, but of course like yourself I wasn’t there so maybe there is more to it than that.
Surely concentrating on your own driving is about maintaining a safety gap and keeping an eye on what happening up ahead, so you can respond to it, but I’m sure none of us is perfect, I know I’m not, that’s why I’ve already done a speed awareness course I think it was in 2013, personally I don’t think I needed one as I was totally aware of my speed. probably lots of luck and a modicum of judgement has meant I haven’t had a nice letter through the post from Her Majesty’s Constabulary since.
robroy:
Say what you like Jake, …Generally speaking, whether in the right or in the wrong, whether legal or otherwise,…If a bloke in a car is sat a lot slower in lane 2 where lane 3 is closed, and the two lanes of faster moving traffic has built up behind him, and nobody wants to undertake him, to the point where he is looking like he is leading a two lane procession of traffic, and he looks in his mirror and refuses to pull back in or speed up a bit…simply because he is ‘‘Legal/Doing nothing wrong’’ , …He IS an idiot !, not just an idiot, but a self righteous idiot to boot.
robroy:
Say what you like Jake, …Generally speaking, whether in the right or in the wrong, whether legal or otherwise,…If a bloke in a car is sat a lot slower in lane 2 where lane 3 is closed, and the two lanes of faster moving traffic has built up behind him, and nobody wants to undertake him, to the point where he is looking like he is leading a two lane procession of traffic, and he looks in his mirror and refuses to pull back in or speed up a bit…simply because he is ‘‘Legal/Doing nothing wrong’’ , …He IS an idiot !, not just an idiot, but a self righteous idiot to boot.
What you seem to fail to realise is every driver does not think the same way as yourself.
Of course some of these drivers may be doing it on purpose but the vast majority will not be.
They are totally unaware of what they are doing but it does not mean they should be put at risk by an aggressive clown who thinks they have the right to do the maximum speed limit every hour of the day.
jakethesnake:
So as I said driving at 40 in a 50 through roadworks (as in this case) in lane one (as in this case) is not and should not be a problem. If it was the police would be prosecuting them as well.
Because none of what you said happened. No lane was mentioned. No speed was mentioned. Only the fact that they tried to get the car to speed up (and exceed the limit) by flashing their lights and tailgating.
The lorry driver was a prat, no need to make crap up to emphasise a point.
Nite Owl:
The current agenda seems to be to catch people doing wrong rather than preventing it.
Absolutely right, if we saw more Police cars '‘patrolling’ the Mways, as we used to, bad practices would be vastly reduced, but it’s more lucrative to have cameras, and Police playing truckers in tractor units etc on one of their famous…‘purges’ .
If we were so called professionals then why would we need big brother and his henchmen watching our every move ?
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Get in there my Son!! The good old " If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide " line
I gather you agree with in cab camera’s as well fella?
jakethesnake:
So as I said driving at 40 in a 50 through roadworks (as in this case) in lane one (as in this case) is not and should not be a problem. If it was the police would be prosecuting them as well.
Where you getting your information from?
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Because none of what you said happened. No lane was mentioned. No speed was mentioned. Only the fact that they tried to get the car to speed up (and exceed the limit) by flashing their lights and tailgating.
The lorry driver was a prat, no need to make crap up to emphasise a point.
robroy:
Say what you like Jake, …Generally speaking, whether in the right or in the wrong, whether legal or otherwise,…If a bloke in a car is sat a lot slower in lane 2 where lane 3 is closed, and the two lanes of faster moving traffic has built up behind him, and nobody wants to undertake him, to the point where he is looking like he is leading a two lane procession of traffic, and he looks in his mirror and refuses to pull back in or speed up a bit…simply because he is ‘‘Legal/Doing nothing wrong’’ , …He IS an idiot !, not just an idiot, but a self righteous idiot to boot.
What you seem to fail to realise is every driver does not think the same way as yourself.
Of course some of these drivers may be doing it on purpose but the vast majority will not be.
They are totally unaware of what they are doing but it does not mean they should be put at risk by an aggressive clown who thinks they have the right to do the maximum speed limit every hour of the day.
Fair enough, but ignorance is no defence for idiocy, risk your life by winding up the other bigger idiots (who should know better) who are trying to push you, and you could end up dead.
If he looks in his mirror and sees in massive letters 3’’ off his back bumper thwe word ‘‘SCANIA’’… backed up by 2 rows of spot lamps on full beam, surely his brain is telling him, ‘‘Hey maybe I should get out of this prick’s way’’
Survival and street wiseness above self righteousness every time in the REAL world.
In your ideal Nirvanic world where road safety prevails 100% every day, and nobody does anything wrong, I can not comment on…That’s your department.
Maybe now they can start to enforce the speed limit to EE trucks that go flying through a 50mph average at 56 bullying cars along the way, or as I saw on the M1 an EE truck that moved out into lane 3 to go past a car doing 50mph.
Why the hell should they be allowed to do what they want on UK roads with inpunity but we must abide by the law.
Trucking sideways:
Maybe now they can start to enforce the speed limit to EE trucks that go flying through a 50mph average at 56 bullying cars along the way, or as I saw on the M1 an EE truck that moved out into lane 3 to go past a car doing 50mph.
Why the hell should they be allowed to do what they want on UK roads with inpunity but we must abide by the law.
I reckon we should maybe deal with our own home grown f/whits in trucks first maybe eh?
There are deffo a few among the EE fraternity granted, but I can’t remember the last time I was cut in on, left hanging, and had one sat right up my pipe attempting (unsuccesfully) to intimidate me that was EE registered tbh, where as Brit car drivers driving trucks ?..where do I start.
so I personally think it’s unlikely and although I’ve heard in advanced driving or at least motorcycling closing the gap once an overtake is on, I believe that’s for single carriageway roads so you spend as little time on the opposite side of the road as possible and I still don’t think you’re going to have to get so close as too be able to see where the number plate was made. 
