Wheel Nut:
My mate is an account manager for a major drinks company and has a company credit card and an open account at Travelodge, he gets married in May and asked me about going lorry driving, he is fed up with eating out every evening, missing his wife to be and watching Japanese ■■■■ on his company laptop
So let’s get this right…
Your mate eats out every night for free, doesn’t have to put up with the wife, and w@nks himself silly every night watching free ■■■■?
Give him my number and we will swap jobs.
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Wheel Nut:
My mate is an account manager for a major drinks company and has a company credit card and an open account at Travelodge, he gets married in May and asked me about going lorry driving, he is fed up with eating out every evening, missing his wife to be and watching Japanese ■■■■ on his company laptop
So let’s get this right…
Your mate eats out every night for free, doesn’t have to put up with the wife, and w@nks himself silly every night watching free ■■■■?
Give him my number and we will swap jobs.
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Bet his company Mondeo ain’t got a Kelsa light bar though!
harrawaffa:
No thanks. I’m more than satisfied with my work and remuneration package. Why would I care about someone I’ve never met.
If you’re doing a garbage job with poor pay that’s your fault nobody else’s.
Now you’ll get all the pathetic clowns calling you selfish because it’s everybody else’s fault but their own that they can’t get a decent job.
I would walk out if there was a general strike. Although there is a real problem with “sticking together” in support of fools who work for stupid hourly rates. Wasn’t there a post about Ramages’ trampers being on £7.77ph?
You can’t really help those who won’t help themselves.
I passed my class one 40 years ago and it’s always been talked of but won’t happen.
Carryfast:
The conclusion being that distance drivers only have themselves to blame in coveting their jobs too much,at others’ expense.On the basis that it is possible to have too much of a good thing and how often do we ever see agencies asking for distance/international drivers,as opposed to all the other boring multi drop/building deliveries/retail distribution,home every night type dross.
Having been around a bit myself, I’m not entirely convince that my £40k+/year job with paid breaks, sick pay, pension, share-save, gym, clean work & not a lot of hours, could be described as ‘dross’. Compared to this ‘good thing’ of yours which see’s you scouring lay-by’s & industrial estates for somewhere to sleep every night.
Please name and shame this wonderful firm .
Big Green 4 letter Supermarket…Sharesave and Gym gave it away plus Grangemouth…
Carryfast:
The conclusion being that distance drivers only have themselves to blame in coveting their jobs too much,at others’ expense.On the basis that it is possible to have too much of a good thing and how often do we ever see agencies asking for distance/international drivers,as opposed to all the other boring multi drop/building deliveries/retail distribution,home every night type dross.
Having been around a bit myself, I’m not entirely convince that my £40k+/year job with paid breaks, sick pay, pension, share-save, gym, clean work & not a lot of hours, could be described as ‘dross’. Compared to this ‘good thing’ of yours which see’s you scouring lay-by’s & industrial estates for somewhere to sleep every night.
Please name and shame this wonderful firm .
Big Green 4 letter Supermarket…Sharesave and Gym gave it away plus Grangemouth…
busteredwards:
Having been around a bit myself, I’m not entirely convince that my £40k+/year job with paid breaks, sick pay, pension, share-save, gym, clean work & not a lot of hours, could be described as ‘dross’. Compared to this ‘good thing’ of yours which see’s you scouring lay-by’s & industrial estates for somewhere to sleep every night.
Please name and shame this wonderful firm .
Big Green 4 letter Supermarket…Sharesave and Gym gave it away plus Grangemouth…
Many years ago I used to work for a 20+ driver unionised company.Three of the drivers did the same job every week-same product round trip to the same destination.Due to reduced business.at a union meeting boss said that if those three drivers gave up 1 trip per week to a colleague,he could avoid redundancies for the time being at least.Those 3 refused to surrender one trip whatever the reason so there were pay offs.Not much brotherhood there.
I work for an excellent employer. Its own account work. Way over the odds hourly rate. Time and a half after 8 hours. Company credit card that pays parking and a meal on a night out. We get a bonus on top of the subsistence allowance for the said night out.
But the work is hard and dirty. On building sites up to your neck in mud, and when it rains you get wet and when its hot you sweat and get wet.
Most so called lorry drivers cannot do what we do hence the excellent rates of pay.
I sure aint going to walk out on strike and upset my employer so some clown who is useless at their job or who is a lazy arse and all they want do is pull the curtains and do bugger all, cannot climb the ladder and get the better paying jobs.
Ramage paying £7 something an hour…well if you work for that rate then as far as I’m concerned that’s all you are worth. The best employers never advertise…in fact I was kind of headhunted when a vacancy came up and they needed a grafter!
I worked hard to get a decent job, I make sure I do a good job to have pride in my work and keep my decent job. If it all went wrong, I might do some less well paid work in the meantime to cover the bills, but I would then be working hard and presenting myself well to get myself another decent job. If you are unhappy with your current situation, that is what you should be doing as well. I sure as hell wouldn’t expect people to strike because I was willing to accept ■■■■ conditions.
harrawaffa:
No thanks. I’m more than satisfied with my work and remuneration package. Why would I care about someone I’ve never met.
If you’re doing a garbage job with poor pay that’s your fault nobody else’s.
Selfishness got this industry where it is today.
Top bloke right here ^
+1 Attitudes have changed. Too many selfish [zb] these days.
Too many bumbling fools who think they know a lot more than they actually do, also. Know what I mean, Damon?
I’m still completely at a loss as to how this will work…
For example,we all walk out…so what next?,what do we want?
A pay rise perhaps…So hows that gonna work if Mr A is on £12ph and Mr B is on £9 ph
Say we secure 20% all round…everyone happy then until Mr B realises he is now on
£10.80 ph but Mr A is now on £14.40!,or are we going for a flat rate or minimum rate of say £12ph across the board?,that’s great for Mr B but Mr A has now realised he’s gone on strike for a pay cut
Or should we go in big and DEMAND £15ph…great news we did it!!!
£15ph all round guys!!!,hang on Mr A has now realised that he’s only had a £3ph pay rise yet Mr B is has had a £6ph pay rise,so all the Mr As ain’t happy about that
So,tell me please…what would the national walk out be looking to achieve?
As far as I can see it pointless because for everyone to achieve the same we would all need to be on the same wage to start with!
The real problem “for me” , Are hours and poor conditions dreadful parking ,Pathetic fines and oppressive planning .Wages need to have a minimum for hgv drivers,Not the non skilled national minimum wage .It does not mean some people on more will drop down , that is down to unscrupulous greedy company owners .Some firms are actually that short sighted they cause there own problems .
Hours need a solid maximum! not 15 hours swerved with breaks or poa to make them seem legit …Planners should be trained to plan routes ,And not try to stress a driver out to max hours out …
Firms need to be fined for pushing drivers to far .
Wages need to be payed on a 40 hour week then over time hours must be more than standard pay… you might be doing nothing Sat around , But that is your life !!dwindling away sat in a jail like waiting room cell or in your cab keys removed etc .Bonuses need to be a part of a bonus not a part of the standard pay ,Mark the truck and lose your pay?No that is why you have insurance these roads are not built for 44 tonne vehicles .Accidents happen .
Lorry drivers need to start to realise that they have the upper hand in all this,Especially if they stood together for just one day .
But you won’t…
Because you have been educated to be this way … ,Notice who owns all local businesses and who now seem to be taking over the television on news programs etc etc , all over the UK we are devided .Asians indians pakistanis foreigners etc stick together, !That is why they are doing so well here …
And we seem to comfortable to care .That is the truth of it.We are to selfish to see what is going on .Take your poor pay and struggle on ,But it will never get any better while you have a loser mindset .
never .
xichrisxi:
Or should we go in big and DEMAND £15ph…great news we did it!!!
£15ph all round guys!!!,hang on Mr A has now realised that he’s only had a £3ph pay rise yet Mr B is has had a £6ph pay rise,so all the Mr As ain’t happy about that
Why would Mr A supposedly be upset because Mr B is now getting the same improved wage that Mr A is getting and there are no longer any downward competitive wage pressures on Mr A’s wage from all the previously lower paid Mr B’s.
While the flaw in the hourly pay idea is actually the type and quantity of work involved in an hour.In which case Mr B doing the zb 10-11 hour stressed out/heavy/boring local multi drop/building/shop deliveries shift actually gets paid the same or less than Mr A doing the nice and easy 11-12 hour trunking/bulk refuse/distance pallet delivery job. Leaving the employers with the headache of an over supply of well paid drivers looking for the best work and an under supply of the equally paid drivers looking for the worst work.The obvious solution being that 15 ph is only an industry minimum and don’t moan if the class 2 multi drop etc driver is getting more per hour than class 1 trunking.
drivers,as opposed to all the other boring multi drop/building deliveries/retail distribution,home every night type dross. 
Leaving the employers with the headache of an over supply of well paid drivers looking for the best work and an under supply of the equally paid drivers looking for the worst work.The obvious solution being that 15 ph is only an industry minimum and don’t moan if the class 2 multi drop etc driver is getting more per hour than class 1 trunking. 