My two cents - new driver observations

So I thought id post a few thoughts, having since jumped through all required hoops to achieve my class 2 and have secured my first driving job, on the process and how I’m finding the work so far. Why? well I’m probably just wasting some time really, but I think if I could rewind a few months to the day I booked my theory then I’d find a post like this moderately interesting.

My training and test

After some thought, I decided to gain my license with one of these third party companies. “We will organise the entire thing for you for x amount, don’t worry about anything”. My god we’re they incompetent - to the point where after turning up to my driving test one very early morning I found they actually hadn’t bothered to book a test in for me, despite telling me a date and time to get to the test centre for. No real reason, they seemed to just forget. Massive downer when you really just want the relief of knowing if you passed or failed, not to mention the time wasted. The point i’m making to anyone currently deciding where to start with their training is that you may’s well just organise the entire thing yourself, from the medical to the cpc stuff. These companies are simply a middle-man that cant really do anything you cant do yourself, despite what they tell you. If I could go back I’d happily pay more and not use the company.

As for the test’s themselves, well I feel the driving is easy enough to pick up, its just a case of doing everything slowly and getting into the habit of looking at the mirrors after ANYTHING you do. Take your time, think about everything before you act and you pass. Simples. Some subjects in the theory test I actually found to be quite interesting to learn about, and having a firm grasp on the drivers hours section basically means you’ll fly through the CPC2 without too much more to learn. As for the CPC 4, personally I feel its a complete waste of time. I wasn’t even asked to demonstrate how to restrain a load, but practising how to restrain a load properly is one of the more important things to know for a complete novice to know! Surely!

My first job

Yup, someone actually entrusted a rigid HGV vehicle into the hands of a 23 year old who has a total of 0 hours experience. I feel I’ve been fairly lucky really, what with finding a job quickly without an agency. I haven’t read a vast amount about the world of agency work, but the little I have read seems to reveal that for every one guy who hates them and says agencies are absolutely full of sh*t in everything they say, there’s another guy saying how its not bad, they always get paid what their owed and gives them a degree of freedom. Anyway, my first day was quite interesting. Two drops around south London, and straight back, easy. As it turned out however, that on this day a combination of a bus crash and crawling tailbacks along the M25 cost me several hours of time, allowing me to arrive back at the yard with 4 whole minuets of driving time left. As nasty as the day was (and after a couple of months into the job and various more trips to London I can safely say this day was especially nasty) it caused me to think like a trucker straight away - planning, communicating, calculating for more “what if” situations that looked more likely as the day went on. A sort of trial by fire, I suppose.

A few smaller things - having to refuel using ‘key fuels’ is proving to irritate me, as a few places iv stopped at tell me “sorry, we don’t do key fuels” - not a lottery I want to play when its my fuel we’re taking about. Also, I get the impression the amount of handball I have to do by myself could be classed as ‘lots’, as the other day a Class 1 driver strolled past, stopped and stuck his head in the back as I unloaded and exclaimed “bloody hell, you gotta’ unload all that by yourself?” (referring to the 400 odd boxes in the back), which caused me to give it some thought, but since its my first job I really have nothing to compare it too. It does sometimes take hours, but as far as jobs go its certainly no worse than the effort expected of me in my previous non-driving job. Point here is, the amount of handball your happy with may be worth considering heavily to anyone coming to the industry. You’re certainly not just there to drive the truck you know! Hours wise, I actually elect to start at 4am in order to miss rush hour (and that works sometimes!), I will regularly max my hours and sometimes un-planned nights out occur, so again if you are coming into this industry, and if you don’t deal with early starts, spending the night away from home at short notice and longer hours so good, then I think you could struggle.

Finally id like to add something about those considering doing a class 2 and class 1 in one go - I’d personally suggest getting some work on a rigid first. I was considering the same thing but my instructor suggested seat time in a rigid for a year or so first, and I’m glad I listened. Some of the drops I do are tight enough as it is, with customers asking you to drop the load off in some ridiculous location as they have no idea as to the real size of a HGV. Last thing you need as a novice is giving yourself more to worry about with an articulated vehicle. I’ve seen 2 artic’s stuck in a car park’s they drove into and found they couldn’t get out without major problems so far - more experience would surely cause them to re-think before they committed to driving in.

So to sum up then…

Things I like - I’m on more money then before, I’m left to get on with the job at hand, seeing parts of the country I’ve never heard of, some of the people you meet at drops are a crack, oh and I’m on more money than before.

Things I don’t like - Traffic jams, car drivers who give you no help when driving through tight areas, customers who wont offer to help you unload, filthy trucks/trucks that stink, oh and sodding key fuels!!!

So far though, glad I bothered.

Good on you fella. As regards Keyfuels, we use them too. All our drivers have a Keyfuels book with all UK sites contained within, obviously on a map format. As far as I know, they are free-grab one!

Fuel light bingo is not quite as exciting in a LGV.

Brilliant post!
Takes me back to my first taste of it all.

Hi pal, nice post! :smiley:

I think it’s good that you highlight Class C work as potentially physical, and people need to be prepared to roll their sleeves up. But I think, probably as you do, it’s a right of passage, and if you’re not prepared to do it, don’t come into the industry. I’m just starting, so know full well I’m not going to land a plum job straight away. I’ll have to crash a few trucks first! :smiley: (Kidding!)

Stick at it mate, and glad you sound like you’re enjoying it.

Evil8Beezle:
Hi pal, nice post! :smiley:

I think it’s good that you highlight Class C work as potentially physical, and people need to be prepared to roll their sleeves up. But I think, probably as you do, it’s a right of passage, and if you’re not prepared to do it, don’t come into the industry. I’m just starting, so know full well I’m not going to land a plum job straight away. I’ll have to crash a few trucks first! :smiley: (Kidding!)

Stick at it mate, and glad you sound like you’re enjoying it.

Yes, you sad old drongo, you won’t. But If that’s your understanding on what the job entails; why did you bother to put your hand in your own pocket to train as an HGV driver.

You could have simply applied to your local supermarkets for a job as a general assistant to replenish the shelves. Whereby, if your application was successful, and if you showed willing; work your way up. Being a lorry driver has little to no prospects.

Give it a rest v4olly, go take a long walk off a short pier and do us all a favour!! :exclamation:

nice post,

please don’t get me wrong, as an improvement would you also be able cover (to the level of detail you see reasonable for newbies) such topics as:

  1. assessment and any training given by your employer before you actually left for your first run, things that you won’t find in the theory book
  2. route planning and finding a parking slot to do the drop

as another newbie i personally find these ones useful as well. I know they have been discussed on other threads but it’s great if it is in one place

many thanks :slight_smile:

keyfuels is easy. just download the waypoints for your satnav OR use the website OR download the app for your phone.

Sounds like you’ve hit the ground running. Class 2 has more handball but think of it as being paid to go to the gym! 3 apps that I highly recommend you download if you have a smart phone, especially an iPhone is HGVParking, Motorway Buddy and the Keyfuels app. The HGVParking app is a godsend when looking for places to parkup. Just either punch in a location or let the phone know where you are and it will bring up the nearest parking places to you, these cover truckstops, MSAs, laybys, carparks and industrial estates. Motorway buddy is pretty much the same but it will tell you what factilies they have on site, like SNAP, fuel etc. The Keyfuels app does what it says on the tin, just set it to show sites that allow HGV’s.

Things I like - I’m on more money then before, I’m left to get on with the job at hand, seeing parts of the country I’ve never heard of, some of the people you meet at drops are a crack, oh and I’m on more money than before.
Things I don’t like - Traffic jams, car drivers who give you no help when driving through tight areas, customers who wont offer to help you unload, filthy trucks/trucks that stink, oh and sodding key fuels!!!

Sounds about right! It does get easier the more you do it, traffic can be annoying but its part of life. I had to run in Saturday because I got caught up in all the holiday traffic round the M25 and M11 on the Friday of last week. As for car drivers, don’t be afraid to use your size to your advantage. They will move just don’t be too hasty about it, got to give them the chance!

Thanks for reading guys apologies for the typos that I’m only just realising are there :grimacing:

Radar19:
Sounds like you’ve hit the ground running. Class 2 has more handball but think of it as being paid to go to the gym! 3 apps that I highly recommend you download if you have a smart phone, especially an iPhone is HGVParking, Motorway Buddy and the Keyfuels app. The HGVParking app is a godsend when looking for places to parkup. Just either punch in a location or let the phone know where you are and it will bring up the nearest parking places to you, these cover truckstops, MSAs, laybys, carparks and industrial estates. Motorway buddy is pretty much the same but it will tell you what factilies they have on site, like SNAP, fuel etc. The Keyfuels app does what it says on the tin, just set it to show sites that allow HGV’s.

Sounds about right! It does get easier the more you do it, traffic can be annoying but its part of life. I had to run in Saturday because I got caught up in all the holiday traffic round the M25 and M11 on the Friday of last week. As for car drivers, don’t be afraid to use your size to your advantage. They will move just don’t be too hasty about it, got to give them the chance!

Thanks for the advice I will be looking into the apps for sure. As for the traffic, pretty bad eh! I was on for an early(ish) finish, ended setting up camp somewhere near Twickenham and came back Saturday when the madness subsided

ratodoesgato:
Thanks for reading guys apologies for the typos that I’m only just realising are there :grimacing:

Spelling ■■■■’s are discouraged here mate, as otherwise nothing would get said! :laughing:

So crack on!

Evil8Beezle:

ratodoesgato:
Thanks for reading guys apologies for the typos that I’m only just realising are there :grimacing:

Spelling ■■■■’s are discouraged here mate, as otherwise nothing would get said! [emoji38]

So crack on!

Although grocers and their apostrophes remain fair game :wink:

Yep! :smiley:

They covered that on QI one week, and at the end of it, I realised that I just didn’t care! :laughing:

Excellent post. I would request Admin to Sticky it.

out of curiosity, which company did you use…to help other noobs as well if they are in the same location as yourself.

Cheers

mrkazman:
Excellent post. I would request Admin to Sticky it.

out of curiosity, which company did you use…to help other noobs as well if they are in the same location as yourself.

Cheers

It looks like the OP used a broker, and generally the advice is to avoid using them, as they are just middle men who can (and sometime do) rip you off.

You’re better off visiting the trainers near yourself, and seeing how you get on with them. Some even do free assessment drives to give you a guide as to your instruction requirements.

qwakers:
keyfuels is easy. just download the waypoints for your satnav OR use the website OR download the app for your phone.

Good advice, I have used keyfuels at several places and they are more popular now. I downloaded the POI to my tomtom which shows me on screen which places take keyfuels. I would add be carefull as some say HGV but not necessarily with a trailer. My favourites to fill up WITH a trailer were Junction 41 M1 Morrisons and the little garage on the A1 south just after Ferrybridge BP garage and if you go in there it is big and open at the back where you can fill up and got ad blu on tap as well :smiley: :smiley:

Probably a really stupid question :blush: but can an LGV just drive into any garage to re-fuel? What is different about the keyfuels? Or do different companies have different arrangments with garages so you can only refuel in certain places?

JS8576:
Probably a really stupid question :blush: but can an LGV just drive into any garage to re-fuel? What is different about the keyfuels? Or do different companies have different arrangments with garages so you can only refuel in certain places?

Haulage firms have cards for their trucks and these are contracts that the haulage makes with a company like Keyfuels or Shell or BP etc. In Europe it was DKV but they are essentially a contract to fill up using that card like you would with your credit card for your car. So only certain garages will take keyfuels cards as payment and other garages will only take Shell and others say BP cards. If you drive into the garage to fill up most of the time you present your card to the cashier and s/he will take it of you while you fill up. Then you go back and sign for your fuel, the cashier will ask for your milage and put it on the printed receipt which goes in your paperwork. Not only do the haulage firm get special discounts etc. but they also importantly keep track of what each unit is using in fuel for the jobs. A firm may have some mercs, MANs and Volvos. One type of truck may do the same job a little cheaper than the others and that will go a long way towards the decision of what fleet to run next. :smiley:

V40LLY:
You could have simply applied to your local supermarkets for a job as a general assistant to replenish the shelves. Whereby, if your application was successful, and if you showed willing; work your way up. Being a lorry driver has little to no prospects.

The thing is that some drivers do get promoted within the company, but it’s always to things like transport manager, which doesn’t involve driving a truck. A few months ago I started what was meant to be an ongoing job because the old driver was going to replace the old transport manager, but after less than a day, he decided he hated working in the office and wanted his driving job back.