DCPCFML:
As you are clearly too stupid to understand the difference between the two I will leave it to others to attempt to educate you, although I fear they will be wasting their time when you refuse to accept the microeconomic law of supply and demand which has been in effect for at least 2000 years. But you know best, because google and some random mouth-breather on youtube say so. OK then. It’s like arguing with Carryfast: no actual real world experience, but claims to be an expert on the subject matter from finding a few selective links on the internet which suit his argument.
It seems as if the capitalist economic idea of supply and demand isn’t working then. By the way, the economic system of capitalism isn’t 2000 years old. 
I supply the sources, you supply the opinions. I’ve written you a letter.
Dear DCPCFML (Is that a Bulgarian name?),
Can I come and work at your place? I’ve always fancied having a job where I can play ‘tunes’ all day and sleep my working hours away whilst earning top rates of pay. Just to clarify; does your company supply pillows as well (I prefer Slumberland) and do you run trailers that automatically unload themselves?
Grandpa. 
Grandpa:
Can I come and work at your place?
Yes…so long as you’re recommended by a trusted source,or a proven limper.
Got time to kill BTW
Not booked into my drop till 7.super stressy… I know,but someone’s got to do it.
Trailer will be unloaded by warehouse operatives.
DCPCFML:
As you are clearly too stupid to understand the difference between the two I will leave it to others to attempt to educate you, although I fear they will be wasting their time when you refuse to accept the microeconomic law of supply and demand which has been in effect for at least 2000 years. But you know best, because google and some random mouth-breather on youtube say so. OK then. It’s like arguing with Carryfast: no actual real world experience, but claims to be an expert on the subject matter from finding a few selective links on the internet which suit his argument.
I’d count, back broke by being used as a warehouse labourer hand balling loads in the change to hub system operations, not helped by other zb jobs previously involving similar ‘duties’, as ‘real world experience’.
Which part of, an over supplied rigged labour market and drivers being used to fill labourer roles while minimising driving miles run, didn’t you understand.
While supply and demand plays a role in setting wage rates, for me there is also an issue about the motivation to drive a juggernaut for not much more than minumum wage. There should be a floor beyond which agencies and companies should not go below, no matter how many drivers are available.
The end result of setting wages so low is that drivers exit and indeed the resulting standards fall because the ones left and willing to work at low wage are indeed probably below average.
Disclaimer: I’ve not bothered to watch any of the links posted.
Noremac:
While supply and demand plays a role in setting wage rates, for me there is also an issue about the motivation to drive a juggernaut for not much more than minumum wage. There should be a floor beyond which agencies and companies should not go below, no matter how many drivers are available.
The end result of setting wages so low is that drivers exit and indeed the resulting standards fall because the ones left and willing to work at low wage are indeed probably below average.
Disclaimer: I’ve not bothered to watch any of the links posted.
You sound like “grandpa”. The wages are not “set so low” at all. The wages find their own level based on… SUPPLY AND DEMAND 
. The wages are what they are BECAUSE THAT IS THE AMOUNT DRIVERS WILL ACCEPT to drive trucks. If drivers were not willing to accept the current rates, then they would naturally rise, wouldn’t they? They are not rising, ergo drivers are willing to accept what is being offered and the supply pool is big enough for firms to get their stuff moved where it needs to be. Until the supply pool significantly reduces or drivers refuse to accept the terms on offer, nothing will change and you’ll still be reading scare stories about the impending driver shortage in 20 years time.
What is more shocking is that so many drivers are incapable of grasping an understanding of basic economics.
commonrail:
Grandpa:
Can I come and work at your place?
Yes…so long as you’re recommended by a trusted source,or a proven limper.
I come highly recommended by DCPCFML from the Truckers Forum, a certified ‘limper.’ Can supply my own music at no cost to you and am willing to sleep during working hours without a pillow, if pushed. For £14 – 16ph I’ll do 12 hours shifts and an extra £4ph on top of that guarantees I won’t leave you for a £5 daily food allowance from Eddie.
DCPCFML:
Noremac:
While supply and demand plays a role in setting wage rates, for me there is also an issue about the motivation to drive a juggernaut for not much more than minumum wage. There should be a floor beyond which agencies and companies should not go below, no matter how many drivers are available.
The end result of setting wages so low is that drivers exit and indeed the resulting standards fall because the ones left and willing to work at low wage are indeed probably below average.
Disclaimer: I’ve not bothered to watch any of the links posted.
You sound like “grandpa”. The wages are not “set so low” at all. The wages find their own level based on… SUPPLY AND DEMAND . The wages are what they are BECAUSE THAT IS THE AMOUNT DRIVERS WILL ACCEPT to drive trucks. If drivers were not willing to accept the current rates, then they would naturally rise, wouldn’t they? They are not rising, ergo drivers are willing to accept what is being offered and the supply pool is big enough for firms to get their stuff moved where it needs to be. Until the supply pool significantly reduces or drivers refuse to accept the terms on offer, nothing will change and you’ll still be reading scare stories about the impending driver shortage in 20 years time.
What is more shocking is that so many drivers are incapable of grasping an understanding of basic economics.
‘What is more shocking is that so many drivers are incapable of grasping an understanding of basic economics.’ Said DCPCFML who thinks the economic supply and demand of capitalism is 2000 years old.
Perhaps it’s my age, but I think that instead of progressing, we’re reverting back to an age of beliefs and producing a generation of numpties. From the planner who tells you that you can get from Oldbury in the Midlands to Preston in the north in two hours (110 miles = 2 hours x 56mph), to Eddie, who doesn’t pay a minimum wage because you get an additional £5 daily meal allowance; Alice in Wonderland seems to the transport industry’s new standard.
People will work for anything when there isn’t an alternative, when there is they won’t.
This thread should be merged with the amnesia and anxiety thread.
It works for me!
Grumpy_old_trucker:
This thread should be merged with the amnesia and anxiety thread.
It works for me!
I’m glad you like it, it’s very popular yer know. People who don’t like it can’t seem to stay away. I’ve tried telling them that putting your head in a bucket of water and breathing deeply solves the problem, but they won’t listen. 
Grandpa:
DCPCFML:
Noremac:
While supply and demand plays a role in setting wage rates, for me there is also an issue about the motivation to drive a juggernaut for not much more than minumum wage. There should be a floor beyond which agencies and companies should not go below, no matter how many drivers are available.
The end result of setting wages so low is that drivers exit and indeed the resulting standards fall because the ones left and willing to work at low wage are indeed probably below average.
Disclaimer: I’ve not bothered to watch any of the links posted.
You sound like “grandpa”. The wages are not “set so low” at all. The wages find their own level based on… SUPPLY AND DEMAND . The wages are what they are BECAUSE THAT IS THE AMOUNT DRIVERS WILL ACCEPT to drive trucks. If drivers were not willing to accept the current rates, then they would naturally rise, wouldn’t they? They are not rising, ergo drivers are willing to accept what is being offered and the supply pool is big enough for firms to get their stuff moved where it needs to be. Until the supply pool significantly reduces or drivers refuse to accept the terms on offer, nothing will change and you’ll still be reading scare stories about the impending driver shortage in 20 years time.
What is more shocking is that so many drivers are incapable of grasping an understanding of basic economics.
‘What is more shocking is that so many drivers are incapable of grasping an understanding of basic economics.’ Said DCPCFML who thinks the economic supply and demand of capitalism is 2000 years old.
If you’d bothered to look at the link you’d see the evidence right there at the bottom of the page, but you don’t do facts, do you? Feel free to write to wikipedia and tell them they are wrong. Your sources are random truckers with youtube channels as they are definitely the fount of all knowledge when it comes to facts.
Grandpa:
Grumpy_old_trucker:
This thread should be merged with the amnesia and anxiety thread.
It works for me!
I’m glad you like it, it’s very popular yer know. People who don’t like it can’t seem to stay away. I’ve tried telling them that putting your head in a bucket of water and breathing deeply solves the problem, but they won’t listen.
Only reason it’s so popular is because you’ve added so many boring, meaningless Posts.
There’s a name for your sort… Attention seeker.
Grumpy_old_trucker:
Only reason it’s so popular is because you’ve added so many boring, meaningless Posts.
There’s a name for your sort… Attention seeker.
Having read his 4 pages of drivel, I know understand why no-one will pay him more than £11/hr in Rugby. To be honest, even that is £11/hr more than what I’d pay him if I was a haulier in the area looking for a driver.
Grumpy_old_trucker:
Grandpa:
Grumpy_old_trucker:
This thread should be merged with the amnesia and anxiety thread.
It works for me!
I’m glad you like it, it’s very popular yer know. People who don’t like it can’t seem to stay away. I’ve tried telling them that putting your head in a bucket of water and breathing deeply solves the problem, but they won’t listen.
Only reason it’s so popular is because you’ve added so many boring, meaningless Posts.
There’s a name for your sort… Attention seeker.
‘Only reason it’s so popular is because you’ve added so many boring, meaningless Posts.’ That you keep replying to.
DCPCFML:
Grumpy_old_trucker:
Only reason it’s so popular is because you’ve added so many boring, meaningless Posts.
There’s a name for your sort… Attention seeker.
Having read his 4 pages of drivel, I know understand why no-one will pay him more than £11/hr in Rugby. To be honest, even that is £11/hr more than what I’d pay him if I was a haulier in the area looking for a driver.
Another one that can’t keep away. Come on, don’t be like that, I’m really looking forward to this fantastic opportunity of an easy life.
Although the re-set theory is still a conspiracy, governments across the west have begun to realize there’s something wrong with trying to keep an economic system going that has its roots in a pre-industrial era. In the next few years remember the phrase, ‘You will own nothing but you will be happy.’
You can create a demand, but not always the supply. If you mess with the supply chain, for instance by low pay and bad conditions, you will find a shortage of drivers to do the work. If you then introduce cheap foreign competition to supply demand, you’ll find stagnant low pay becomes the norm. Count the next ten trucks you see on the motorway, how many are foreign registered? There’s your new supply chain.
A labour rate does not magically increase according to demand. That’s for products. An average employment rate is set by those prepared to work for that amount and if everyone around you works for that, it becomes the standard rate. If the value of labour was determined by demand, politicians would be in poverty and a man selling ice creams in summer would become rich. The next job you go for tell the employer you demand ■■■ amount and see what happens to your 2000 year old supply and demand theory.
My current job i told them i dont do weekends.I dont start on Monday till after 6 .Fridays i will be home by 2pm.We dont use agencies in our place .We have a pool of retired guys who come in once in a while to cover holidays .Dont get your argument about a driver shortage.
Am I the only member to detect the distinctive aroma of a fridge repairer?
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Roymondo:
Am I the only member to detect the distinctive aroma of a fridge repairer?
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As in…
Repetative, boring, droning, never wrong, selective answers and always right about everything?
Nope, never noticed it at all.
The Trucknet way. If a poster’s posts do not meet with thyself and thy cronies, start throwing muck.