Oh and can’t open that link you provided, must have clipped the end off when you pasted it.
gov.uk/guidance/carry-out-d … und-checks
You’re responsible for making sure your vehicle is safe to drive.
Carry out a walkaround check of the vehicle before your journey to make sure it’s safe. Report any defects in writing to the person in charge of sorting out vehicle defects in your organisation.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
movingon.blog.gov.uk/2019/09/20 … nd-checks/
Daily walkaround checks are part of the commitment operators make to get the O licence and they’re vital for road safety; we all know the consequences a lost wheel or not knowing the height of your vehicle could have.
As drivers are legally responsible for the condition of the heavy vehicle they are driving they must carry out these walkaround checks. The results of the checks must be recorded and any safety defects must be reported and fixed before the vehicle is driven.
We recommend these checks are carried out before the vehicle is driven on the road each day. If more than one driver uses a vehicle during the day, the driver taking charge should make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out their own walkaround check before setting off.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
simcor:
Helping you carry out effective daily walkaround checks - Moving OnDaily walkaround checks are part of the commitment operators make to get the O licence and they’re vital for road safety; we all know the consequences a lost wheel or not knowing the height of your vehicle could have.
As drivers are legally responsible for the condition of the heavy vehicle they are driving they must carry out these walkaround checks. The results of the checks must be recorded and any safety defects must be reported and fixed before the vehicle is driven.
We recommend these checks are carried out before the vehicle is driven on the road each day. If more than one driver uses a vehicle during the day, the driver taking charge should make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out their own walkaround check before setting off.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
Fair enough. 
The Blog says “each driver”, the site says, “a responsible person”.
I agree that I would give a quick once over, especially if the alleged “responsible person” was unknown to me.
But I dont think that it is an obligation for every driver to check every time. And I dont think that the starting within one hour of each other is relevant.
assets.publishing.service.gov.u … hicles.pdf
Link re-tried.
“Daily walkaround check
A driver or designated responsible person must conduct a walkaround check of a vehicle/
trailer prior to using the equipment on the public highway. At least one walkaround check
should be carried out in every 24-hour period that the vehicle/trailer is in service.”
My highlight. Once is enough.
Franglais:
simcor:
Helping you carry out effective daily walkaround checks - Moving OnDaily walkaround checks are part of the commitment operators make to get the O licence and they’re vital for road safety; we all know the consequences a lost wheel or not knowing the height of your vehicle could have.
As drivers are legally responsible for the condition of the heavy vehicle they are driving they must carry out these walkaround checks. The results of the checks must be recorded and any safety defects must be reported and fixed before the vehicle is driven.
We recommend these checks are carried out before the vehicle is driven on the road each day. If more than one driver uses a vehicle during the day, the driver taking charge should make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out their own walkaround check before setting off.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
Fair enough.
The Blog says “each driver”, the site says, “a responsible person”.I agree that I would give a quick once over, especially if the alleged “responsible person” was unknown to me.
But I dont think that it is an obligation for every driver to check every time. And I dont think that the starting within one hour of each other is relevant.
The reason I say it’s relevant is if a driver is picked up on route to drive, he wasn’t present at the time the vehicle was checked initially and unable to check the vehicle with the other driver. I still would not trust another driver’s walk around checks if I am driving the vehicle.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
simcor:
The reason I say it’s relevant is if a driver is picked up on route to drive, he wasn’t present at the time the vehicle was checked initially and unable to check the vehicle with the other driver. I still would not trust another driver’s walk around checks if I am driving the vehicle.
I do take your point, and for that reason, I might well do the same.
But legally? I`m not sure it is required.
Taking over after a 4-30 stint to do my 4-30? I probably would.
If just swapping seats to load in a quarry as the OP is? I probably wouldn`t.
You missed out the most important part.
The driver is always legally responsible for the condition of the vehicle while in use.
Therefore, conducting a daily walkaround check is a vital part of a driver’s core role.
However, operators can delegate the walkaround check to a responsible person, who
may not be the driver. Under these circumstances the driver needs to see evidence
the check has been completed and the vehicle is free from safety defects. A minimum
of one walkaround check must be carried out every day or at least once in a 24-hour
period that the vehicle is used.
Where more than one driver will use the vehicle during the day’s running, the driver taking
charge of a vehicle needs to make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out
their own walkaround check; however, due to health and safety implications this may not
be practical on all occasions.
So who would be a responsible person to do the checks on behalf of a driver? What company would employ someone to do their checks to satisfy their o licence commitments.
And how many drivers would happily jump in a truck with their licence on the line if a responsible person was doing the daily checks for them?
And all of that said it is still your legal responsibility to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
simcor:
You missed out the most important part.The driver is always legally responsible for the condition of the vehicle while in use.
Therefore, conducting a daily walkaround check is a vital part of a driver’s core role.
However, operators can delegate the walkaround check to a responsible person, who
may not be the driver. Under these circumstances the driver needs to see evidence
the check has been completed and the vehicle is free from safety defects. A minimum
of one walkaround check must be carried out every day or at least once in a 24-hour
period that the vehicle is used.
Where more than one driver will use the vehicle during the day’s running, the driver taking
charge of a vehicle needs to make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out
their own walkaround check; however, due to health and safety implications this may not
be practical on all occasions.So who would be a responsible person to do the checks on behalf of a driver? What company would employ someone to do their checks to satisfy their o licence commitments.
And how many drivers would happily jump in a truck with their licence on the line if a responsible person was doing the daily checks for them?
And all of that said it is still your legal responsibility to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
You`re making good points.
If Driver 1 starts the shift and signs the daily defect sheet that all is well, then isnt that good enough for the rest of that shift? If Driver 2 sees the signed sheet isnt that enough?
As drivers we are all deemed as equally qualified to do daily checks.
I know of some drivers I would trust, and some I wouldn`t, but legally that seems enough to me.
Franglais:
simcor:
You missed out the most important part.The driver is always legally responsible for the condition of the vehicle while in use.
Therefore, conducting a daily walkaround check is a vital part of a driver’s core role.
However, operators can delegate the walkaround check to a responsible person, who
may not be the driver. Under these circumstances the driver needs to see evidence
the check has been completed and the vehicle is free from safety defects. A minimum
of one walkaround check must be carried out every day or at least once in a 24-hour
period that the vehicle is used.
Where more than one driver will use the vehicle during the day’s running, the driver taking
charge of a vehicle needs to make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out
their own walkaround check; however, due to health and safety implications this may not
be practical on all occasions.So who would be a responsible person to do the checks on behalf of a driver? What company would employ someone to do their checks to satisfy their o licence commitments.
And how many drivers would happily jump in a truck with their licence on the line if a responsible person was doing the daily checks for them?
And all of that said it is still your legal responsibility to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
You`re making good points.
If Driver 1 starts the shift and signs the daily defect sheet that all is well, then isn
t that good enough for the rest of that shift? If Driver 2 sees the signed sheet isnt that enough?As drivers we are all deemed as equally qualified to do daily checks.
I know of some drivers I would trust, and some I wouldn`t, but legally that seems enough to me.
In theory yes.
In practise would I bet my licence etc on it. Highly unlikely.
But when does “in theory” work in real life and would it pass muster in a court of law.
The simple answer for me is if I take over a vehicle then I do a check to the best of my ability to ensure it is roadworthy and safe to use on the road.
If I was present at the start of the shift I’d still do the checks myself if I am driving the vehicle at any point. If I was there in just a supervisory role and not driving then no checks from me.
However if I needed to take over the driving then I would do a check and check sheet and show some other work to show I had the time to do those checks at the time I took the vehicle over.
As always nothing is ever quite black and white. But you can bet your bottom dollar the ■■■■ will hit the fan when it goes wrong as as the pro drivers we are always to blame.
And drivers wonder why big companies do so much arse covering. I will cover my arse as much as possible too. If you can show you did everything possible then it’s going to be a much less severe punishment if any when the ■■■■ hits the fan.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
Link re-tried.
“Daily walkaround check
A driver or designated responsible person must conduct a walkaround check of a vehicle/
trailer prior to using the equipment on the public highway. At least one walkaround check
should be carried out in every 24-hour period that the vehicle/trailer is in service.”My highlight. Once is enough.
And again I’d argue, at least once in a 24 hour period.
At least being the minimum possible accepted amount, but doing the bare minimum or doing more than the bare minimum. I still know which I would prefer.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
simcor:
Franglais:
Once is enough.And again I’d argue, at least once in a 24 hour period.
At least being the minimum possible accepted amount, but doing the bare minimum or doing more than the bare minimum. I still know which I would prefer.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
Thank you both for thrashing this out. In the rare occasions I’ve been out with a second driver I’m pretty sure we have only ever filled out one check sheet for the vehicle. That said, if I was in for a tug and driving I’d feel happier with a daily check sheet with my name on it to be in the cab.
so today they final got back to me… he said I was right and you cant drive while your card is in slot 2 (like I told him).
He said that it flagged up on the system not as a specific infringement but more of an discrepancy and because he clearly didn’t fully understand the rules told me it was an infringement.
so the end verdict is to swap cards every time and do a manual entry to make sure they have fully loaded.
In terms of doing walk around checks we both did the checks in the morning together, seeing as I was training him anyway we would go through the usual checks I would do.
ChessNate:
so today they final got back to me… he said I was right and you cant drive while your card is in slot 2 (like I told him).
He said that it flagged up on the system not as a specific infringement but more of an discrepancy and because he clearly didn’t fully understand the rules told me it was an infringement.
so the end verdict is to swap cards every time and do a manual entry to make sure they have fully loaded.In terms of doing walk around checks we both did the checks in the morning together, seeing as I was training him anyway we would go through the usual checks I would do.
Sounds like he should not be doing the job he is doing. It can’t show a discrepancy. If both cards are being used and breaks are taken etc there can’t be a discrepancy. All mileage is accounted for on cards etc.
Sounds like he is talking ■■■■■■■■ to me and trying to get above his station when he seems to know the square root of naff all.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
simcor:
Franglais:
simcor:
You missed out the most important part.The driver is always legally responsible for the condition of the vehicle while in use.
Therefore, conducting a daily walkaround check is a vital part of a driver’s core role.
However, operators can delegate the walkaround check to a responsible person, who
may not be the driver. Under these circumstances the driver needs to see evidence
the check has been completed and the vehicle is free from safety defects. A minimum
of one walkaround check must be carried out every day or at least once in a 24-hour
period that the vehicle is used.
Where more than one driver will use the vehicle during the day’s running, the driver taking
charge of a vehicle needs to make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out
their own walkaround check; however, due to health and safety implications this may not
be practical on all occasions.So who would be a responsible person to do the checks on behalf of a driver? What company would employ someone to do their checks to satisfy their o licence commitments.
And how many drivers would happily jump in a truck with their licence on the line if a responsible person was doing the daily checks for them?
And all of that said it is still your legal responsibility to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
You`re making good points.
If Driver 1 starts the shift and signs the daily defect sheet that all is well, then isn
t that good enough for the rest of that shift? If Driver 2 sees the signed sheet isnt that enough?As drivers we are all deemed as equally qualified to do daily checks.
I know of some drivers I would trust, and some I wouldn`t, but legally that seems enough to me.In theory yes.
In practise would I bet my licence etc on it. Highly unlikely.
But when does “in theory” work in real life and would it pass muster in a court of law.
The simple answer for me is if I take over a vehicle then I do a check to the best of my ability to ensure it is roadworthy and safe to use on the road.
If I was present at the start of the shift I’d still do the checks myself if I am driving the vehicle at any point. If I was there in just a supervisory role and not driving then no checks from me.
However if I needed to take over the driving then I would do a check and check sheet and show some other work to show I had the time to do those checks at the time I took the vehicle over.
As always nothing is ever quite black and white. But you can bet your bottom dollar the [zb] will hit the fan when it goes wrong as as the pro drivers we are always to blame.
And drivers wonder why big companies do so much arse covering. I will cover my arse as much as possible too. If you can show you did everything possible then it’s going to be a much less severe punishment if any when the [zb] hits the fan.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
What a ■■■■■ have you ever done proper double manning ?
would you do a 15 min walk round every time you change cards ? as your duty time will expire before your driving time !!!
Try this one day and see how you get on. Leave a venue at say 01.00 get your head down for 3 or 4 hours whilst main driver is driving stop at say 5am pitch dark minus 10 or so, and you say I can’t crack on drive must do my daily walk round, you’d last one drive and be out the door in the middle of a Zurich to Tallinn double drive, try it sometime and let me know how it went
robthedog:
simcor:
Franglais:
simcor:
You missed out the most important part.The driver is always legally responsible for the condition of the vehicle while in use.
Therefore, conducting a daily walkaround check is a vital part of a driver’s core role.
However, operators can delegate the walkaround check to a responsible person, who
may not be the driver. Under these circumstances the driver needs to see evidence
the check has been completed and the vehicle is free from safety defects. A minimum
of one walkaround check must be carried out every day or at least once in a 24-hour
period that the vehicle is used.
Where more than one driver will use the vehicle during the day’s running, the driver taking
charge of a vehicle needs to make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out
their own walkaround check; however, due to health and safety implications this may not
be practical on all occasions.So who would be a responsible person to do the checks on behalf of a driver? What company would employ someone to do their checks to satisfy their o licence commitments.
And how many drivers would happily jump in a truck with their licence on the line if a responsible person was doing the daily checks for them?
And all of that said it is still your legal responsibility to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
You`re making good points.
If Driver 1 starts the shift and signs the daily defect sheet that all is well, then isn
t that good enough for the rest of that shift? If Driver 2 sees the signed sheet isnt that enough?As drivers we are all deemed as equally qualified to do daily checks.
I know of some drivers I would trust, and some I wouldn`t, but legally that seems enough to me.In theory yes.
In practise would I bet my licence etc on it. Highly unlikely.
But when does “in theory” work in real life and would it pass muster in a court of law.
The simple answer for me is if I take over a vehicle then I do a check to the best of my ability to ensure it is roadworthy and safe to use on the road.
If I was present at the start of the shift I’d still do the checks myself if I am driving the vehicle at any point. If I was there in just a supervisory role and not driving then no checks from me.
However if I needed to take over the driving then I would do a check and check sheet and show some other work to show I had the time to do those checks at the time I took the vehicle over.
As always nothing is ever quite black and white. But you can bet your bottom dollar the [zb] will hit the fan when it goes wrong as as the pro drivers we are always to blame.
And drivers wonder why big companies do so much arse covering. I will cover my arse as much as possible too. If you can show you did everything possible then it’s going to be a much less severe punishment if any when the [zb] hits the fan.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
What a ■■■■■ have you ever done proper double manning ?
would you do a 15 min walk round every time you change cards ? as your duty time will expire before your driving time !!!
Try this one day and see how you get on. Leave a venue at say 01.00 get your head down for 3 or 4 hours whilst main driver is driving stop at say 5am pitch dark minus 10 or so, and you say I can’t crack on drive must do my daily walk round, you’d last one drive and be out the door in the middle of a Zurich to Tallinn double drive, try it sometime and let me know how it went
I wouldn’t waste my breath any further than this to someone calling someone else a ■■■■■ for absolutely no reason. It shows your intelligence level when you resort to such childish playground antics. Grow up.
Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk