65 years of country living then, Dave?
Have you included the 30 years as magistrate, mayor and Lord of the Manor?
Dave the Renegade:
Saratoga:
Dave the Renegade:
I have grown up in the country and have never moved awaySo how can you say that leaves in urban areas are not a suitable concern to mud in rural areas?
I didnāt say that.I think they are two different issues.The leaves fall off the treeās.The mud is deposited by agricultural vehicles.
I think you are right in your pursuit on this thread. Farmers have a choice as to whether they carry out field/road/ farm haulage operations during times when it is unsafe to do so in relation to mud on road, those that choose to carry on regardless of the conditions should be brought before the magistrates such as this link shows. swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news ā¦ ath_crash/
discoman:
it is illegal to dump mud on the road there is a lot they can do it is there property have hoses put there or carry water tanks on the tractor and wash the wheels prior to entering back on to the highway ā¦ they deserve points and fines when an innocent motorist is killed or badly maimed due to an ignorant farmer who should know better, truckers get fined if they do it so what makes a farmer different
Innocent? Never met an innocent motorist.
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦
ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
dle1uk:
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
There is no way a lorry can get into a field of root crops when its wet and come back out onto the road like a tractor does.
For a start,a lorry would get stuck before getting very far into a wet field.You cannot compare the two.
You clearly havenāt been off road with a lorry or a tractor to make that statement.
no dave cause not, 12years plant operator/quarry worker, currently driving a tipper. as well as working for my local farms in busy times.
ive not said about getting a truck into a field, someone said that a farmer should stop all his operations in bad weather if as you say you have 65 years country living then surely you must understand a farmer cannot do this??
my example of trucks is that these can and have left substantial amount of mud on roads when leaving site, or a bit of waste land that as become an unofficial laybyā¦
dle1uk:
no dave cause not, 12years plant operator/quarry worker, currently driving a tipper. as well as working for my local farms in busy times.ive not said about getting a truck into a field, someone said that a farmer should stop all his operations in bad weather if as you say you have 65 years country living then surely you must understand a farmer cannot do this??
my example of trucks is that these can and have left substantial amount of mud on roads when leaving site, or a bit of waste land that as become an unofficial laybyā¦
OK,Like yourself I have helped on farms,driven tractors limespreading on farms,also hauled lime and slag to farms with tippers.Been on hire hauling from big excavators,and did a lot of quarry work driving tippers,but we got the shovels out and cleaned the roads upā¦by hand shovel.
My argument is,if you make a mess of the roadā¦clean it up.
Cheers Dave.
dle1uk:
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
I have a farm contracting business, been doing it nearly 30 years, there is a choice avaliable as to the timing of operations, ive said no and parked on farms a week waiting for it to dry, i have never wanted someones death on my conscience.
puntabrava:
dle1uk:
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
I have a farm contracting business, been doing it nearly 30 years, there is a choice avaliable as to the timing of operations, ive said no and parked on farms a week waiting for it to dry, i have never wanted someones death on my conscience.
As you know puntabrava,if you cut their ground up they would blame you,then get someone else in to do their contracting next year. The potato growers donāt care,because they rent most of the ground on quota for the season.The land owner has to square the mess up in the field after.
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
puntabrava:
dle1uk:
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
I have a farm contracting business, been doing it nearly 30 years, there is a choice avaliable as to the timing of operations, ive said no and parked on farms a week waiting for it to dry, i have never wanted someones death on my conscience.
As you know puntabrava,if you cut their ground up they would blame you,then get someone else in to do their contracting next year. The potato growers donāt care,because they rent most of the ground on quota for the season.The land owner has to square the mess up in the field after.
Cheers Dave.
A trip to Leominster this morning prompted me to write more on this thread, there are trails of mud still showing out of decimated potato fields, i dread to think of the mess when it was done. If i had the power i would have them all in the cells for a week.
puntabrava:
Dave the Renegade:
puntabrava:
dle1uk:
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
I have a farm contracting business, been doing it nearly 30 years, there is a choice avaliable as to the timing of operations, ive said no and parked on farms a week waiting for it to dry, i have never wanted someones death on my conscience.
As you know puntabrava,if you cut their ground up they would blame you,then get someone else in to do their contracting next year. The potato growers donāt care,because they rent most of the ground on quota for the season.The land owner has to square the mess up in the field after.
Cheers Dave.A trip to Leominster this morning prompted me to write more on this thread, there are trails of mud still showing out of decimated potato fields, i dread to think of the mess when it was done. If i had the power i would have them all in the cells for a week.
It has been bad around the Leominster area,thatās why I posted the piece about the police comments at the start of the thread. A relation of ours is a foreman at the big potato grower just outside Leominster and is glad they have nearly finished because of the problems with lifting the spuds and getting off the fields etc.But as he says,the boss wants the spuds out and they have to follow orders to satisfy the supermarkets.
I think the authorities will clamp down on them next year,but hopefully we will have a better summer without these problems.
Cheers Dave.
I think these potato farmers have a chip on their shoulder.
Dave the Renegade:
puntabrava:
Dave the Renegade:
puntabrava:
dle1uk:
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
I have a farm contracting business, been doing it nearly 30 years, there is a choice avaliable as to the timing of operations, ive said no and parked on farms a week waiting for it to dry, i have never wanted someones death on my conscience.
As you know puntabrava,if you cut their ground up they would blame you,then get someone else in to do their contracting next year. The potato growers donāt care,because they rent most of the ground on quota for the season.The land owner has to square the mess up in the field after.
Cheers Dave.A trip to Leominster this morning prompted me to write more on this thread, there are trails of mud still showing out of decimated potato fields, i dread to think of the mess when it was done. If i had the power i would have them all in the cells for a week.
It has been bad around the Leominster area,thatās why I posted the piece about the police comments at the start of the thread. A relation of ours is a foreman at the big potato grower just outside Leominster and is glad they have nearly finished because of the problems with lifting the spuds and getting off the fields etc.But as he says,the boss wants the spuds out and they have to follow orders to satisfy the supermarkets.
I think the authorities will clamp down on them next year,but hopefully we will have a better summer without these problems.
Cheers Dave.
but surely this is where the problem could be solved a little?? if the supermarket buyers used a little bit of brain and understood the field conditions and that there may be delays,but they dont give a ā ā ā ā ā ā force the farmer to pay xtra for road sweeping ect will only end up with farmer packing in!! 1 by us as already turned a couple of fields over to buffalo grass stuff and after this year he is considering stopping spuds altogether and doing just this buffalo grass and his chicken shedsā¦
dle1uk:
Dave the Renegade:
puntabrava:
Dave the Renegade:
puntabrava:
dle1uk:
how the hell does a farmer have a choice of field operations? whether its bad weather or good if the crops ready its ready, it as to be harvested or left to rot, same as ploughing/drilling/spraying there are times when it just has to be done or risk a poor crop or no crop at allā¦ive seen laybys where the ground is just mud and truck drivers have pulled up took the break and drove off leaving mud across the road, same as tipper drivers,mixers, block/brick deliveries to building sites, jewson, mkm and similar, animal feed trucks. livestock trucks, fuel deliveriesā¦ are we all gonna end up towing a bowser and a brush to clean up after ourselves?
I have a farm contracting business, been doing it nearly 30 years, there is a choice avaliable as to the timing of operations, ive said no and parked on farms a week waiting for it to dry, i have never wanted someones death on my conscience.
As you know puntabrava,if you cut their ground up they would blame you,then get someone else in to do their contracting next year. The potato growers donāt care,because they rent most of the ground on quota for the season.The land owner has to square the mess up in the field after.
Cheers Dave.A trip to Leominster this morning prompted me to write more on this thread, there are trails of mud still showing out of decimated potato fields, i dread to think of the mess when it was done. If i had the power i would have them all in the cells for a week.
It has been bad around the Leominster area,thatās why I posted the piece about the police comments at the start of the thread. A relation of ours is a foreman at the big potato grower just outside Leominster and is glad they have nearly finished because of the problems with lifting the spuds and getting off the fields etc.But as he says,the boss wants the spuds out and they have to follow orders to satisfy the supermarkets.
I think the authorities will clamp down on them next year,but hopefully we will have a better summer without these problems.
Cheers Dave.but surely this is where the problem could be solved a little?? if the supermarket buyers used a little bit of brain and understood the field conditions and that there may be delays,but they dont give a [zb], force the farmer to pay xtra for road sweeping ect will only end up with farmer packing in!! 1 by us as already turned a couple of fields over to buffalo grass stuff and after this year he is considering stopping spuds altogether and doing just this buffalo grass and his chicken shedsā¦
The spud growers are one of the biggest culprits for the excessive mud on the roads.A lot of the flash flooding is caused by them de-stoning the ground,causing water to run off the fields instead of draining naturally through the ground.I know of several farmers who wonāt let their ground to the potato growers because it knackers the drainage.
Its high time the bigger growers stood up to the supermarkets and tell them they can only supply them with veg when the weather is suitable to harvest them.
i will agree with you on that Dave 