altitude:
I have seen them with brushes on there tractors, all that does with wet mud is push it about, as for signs does is old drum on the bank one if they do put signs up there covered in mud in no time. I was following a s^*t slinger yesterday, not content with covering the road he also had no rear number plate, no offside rear light or indicator, no nearside indicator, see how far you get in a lorry like that before you get pulled. The bottom line of it is they donāt give a toss.
They dont need a numberplate or lights if operated in daylight.
I didnāt know that (if itās true) but it does explain some of the wrecks that I have to load. Do they need a tailgate or are they allowed to pepper peoplesā windscreens with shingle?
Do VOSA have any powers over them?
Dave the Renegade:
I was overtaking a big John Deere tractor and bale trailer a couple of weeks ago on a safe straight stretch of road,when suddenly the tractor started coming over my side of the road.There was a young lad driving it, gawping over the hedge and not concentrating on his driving.
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yeah you would never get this happen overtaking a truck
and how much legislation is there in the industry
LGV license,Operators license,Operating centres.Annual tests plus inspections,checks by Vosa etc.
Agricultural tractors have none of these.
A lot of these modern tractors dwarf an artic on the road and are driven by a young kid with a car license or has passed an outdated tractor test in the local village.
Different playing field!!!
Dave the Renegade:
As for comparing leaves in a town to some of the serious amount of mud on the road,you
have to be joking.
No, not really. There has already been threads about it on this board and elsewhere, of the traction issues faced with them. Then again, if youāre moaning about mud on the roads in winter youāll probably also moan about the amount of litter that shows up in Spring when they cut the hedges and verges back. How townies are coming in and ramping up the house prices higher than what the locals can afford. Complain about the church bells, complain about early morning tractors waking them and all sorts of other issues.
Iāve lived in both places, and yes. I have walked to work in the countryside when the snow was thick enough that my 4x4 couldnāt get me through and in the city when the council havenāt cleaned the pavements as they should have done and Iāve slipped on frozen leaves on the pavementā¦
Dave the Renegade:
I was overtaking a big John Deere tractor and bale trailer a couple of weeks ago on a safe straight stretch of road,when suddenly the tractor started coming over my side of the road.There was a young lad driving it, gawping over the hedge and not concentrating on his driving.
.
yeah you would never get this happen overtaking a truck
and how much legislation is there in the industry
LGV license,Operators license,Operating centres.Annual tests plus inspections,checks by Vosa etc.
Agricultural tractors have none of these.
A lot of these modern tractors dwarf an artic on the road and are driven by a young kid with a car license or has passed an outdated tractor test in the local village.
Different playing field!!!
altitude:
I have seen them with brushes on there tractors, all that does with wet mud is push it about, as for signs does is old drum on the bank one if they do put signs up there covered in mud in no time. I was following a s^*t slinger yesterday, not content with covering the road he also had no rear number plate, no offside rear light or indicator, no nearside indicator, see how far you get in a lorry like that before you get pulled. The bottom line of it is they donāt give a toss.
They dont need a numberplate or lights if operated in daylight.
So I can drive around without a rear number plate, or lights as long as itās in daylight hmmmmmmm the only money I put on that is what I would pay in fines.
You can if your pulling a muckspreader with a tractor, tis the law, im only saying, not condoning.
I have been out side our sites so many times this this year with a shovel! Itās been a wet year though. We do hire road sweepers when necessary but generally just get out there with a brush, shovel and hi viz lol road sweepers donāt always have enough ā ā ā ā to pick up larger stones that can get dragged out with the muck.
altitude:
I have seen them with brushes on there tractors, all that does with wet mud is push it about, as for signs does is old drum on the bank one if they do put signs up there covered in mud in no time. I was following a s^*t slinger yesterday, not content with covering the road he also had no rear number plate, no offside rear light or indicator, no nearside indicator, see how far you get in a lorry like that before you get pulled. The bottom line of it is they donāt give a toss.
They dont need a numberplate or lights if operated in daylight.
So I can drive around without a rear number plate, or lights as long as itās in daylight hmmmmmmm the only money I put on that is what I would pay in fines.
You can if your pulling a muckspreader with a tractor, tis the law, im only saying, not condoning.
OK see what your saying now, but this was a bulk trailer a high sided spud/grain thing.
Dave the Renegade:
As for comparing leaves in a town to some of the serious amount of mud on the road,you
have to be joking.
No, not really. There has already been threads about it on this board and elsewhere, of the traction issues faced with them. Then again, if youāre moaning about mud on the roads in winter youāll probably also moan about the amount of litter that shows up in Spring when they cut the hedges and verges back. How townies are coming in and ramping up the house prices higher than what the locals can afford. Complain about the church bells, complain about early morning tractors waking them and all sorts of other issues.
Iāve lived in both places, and yes. I have walked to work in the countryside when the snow was thick enough that my 4x4 couldnāt get me through and in the city when the council havenāt cleaned the pavements as they should have done and Iāve slipped on frozen leaves on the pavementā¦
Saratoga,try teaching your Grandmother to ā ā ā ā eggs Mr.I have grown up in the country and have never moved away,still live in the country on the Welsh-Herefordshire border.My cousins are farmers and also contractors.I also have friends that are farmers who admit that the law is an ā ā ā .I donāt blame them for running the kit,if they can get away with it without falling foul of the law,but we are in the 21st century,something has got to changeā¦It has for other industries.
altitude:
I have seen them with brushes on there tractors, all that does with wet mud is push it about, as for signs does is old drum on the bank one if they do put signs up there covered in mud in no time. I was following a s^*t slinger yesterday, not content with covering the road he also had no rear number plate, no offside rear light or indicator, no nearside indicator, see how far you get in a lorry like that before you get pulled. The bottom line of it is they donāt give a toss.
They dont need a numberplate or lights if operated in daylight.
So I can drive around without a rear number plate, or lights as long as itās in daylight hmmmmmmm the only money I put on that is what I would pay in fines.
You can if your pulling a muckspreader with a tractor, tis the law, im only saying, not condoning.
OK see what your saying now, but this was a bulk trailer a high sided spud/grain thing.
Then needs working lights and a number plate appicable to any tractor under the farms ownership.
As far as mud on roads goes, i refuse to haul on roads in the wet, shouldnt be allowed. Road brushes just generaly smear it into the road surface and do little to alleviate the danger.
FARMERS need to put down scalpings(large stones)near the gates they are tight gits they always plead poverty,if you see loads of mud report it ,it,s the only way to get things done.The tractor drivers have got hands so get off them mobile phones and start using a shovel to clean up your mess!!! A couple of minutes cleaning up could prevent an accident.NUFF SAID.
maestegboy:
FARMERS need to put down scalpings(large stones)near the gates they are tight gits they always plead poverty,if you see loads of mud report it ,it,s the only way to get things done.The tractor drivers have got hands so get off them mobile phones and start using a shovel to clean up your mess!!! A couple of minutes cleaning up could prevent an accident.NUFF SAID.
Scalpingās near gates would not solve anything though? We have stone entrances on sites but but on tractor wheels needs a bit of centrifugal force to get rid of the mud. I agree with that you say about the driver though, I have pulled out of a gate and then pulled over and shovelled the worse off the road.
Evening all, ā¦well weve tried brushes....weve tried bladesā¦ and we`ve even tried a jet wash!! When its as wet as it isā¦bā¦r all works! Our insurers NFU, suggest "we do nothing ", as if some moron has an accident, (too great a velocity, brain dead, lack of skill), then if we have attempted to mitigate the situation by use of the previously mentionedā¦then āweā have contributed to their demise, and are culpable!!! WHAT A Bā¦Y STUPID WORLD!!!
DRIVE ACCORDING TO THE CONDITIONS!!!
With the general public, barn conversion dwellers, leased or financed exotica, then you just have to expect the worst! But as a professional driver, you should read the road,ā¦and show a litle tolerance to those of us who have to work in this āclagāā¦and provide the food you eat!!
Bon soir mes braves, drive carefully, Cheerio for now.
Dave the Renegade:
I have grown up in the country and have never moved away
So how can you say that leaves in urban areas are not a suitable concern to mud in rural areas?
I didnāt say that.I think they are two different issues.The leaves fall off the treeās.The mud is deposited by agricultural vehicles.
And each are slippy, and annoying. But your attitude is that leaves can in no way be as bad as mud on roadā¦
If there are treeās most people expect to find leaves on the roads in the autumn.With mud,unless there are signs put out,you can drive around a corner at a sensible speed and find yourself on long stretch of muddy road,which is as dangerous as ice.
Somehow, I doubt the courts would accept āitās the countryside, get used to it,ā as a form of defence. If a road gets so bad it needs to be closed then the farmer should be sued to recover the costs. Theyāll just have to sell Dobbin the gymkhana ponysā Range Rover Sport V8 with tinted windows and a bodykit lower than a tartsā knickers.
triple-tango:
I live in rural Lincolnshire, it gets muddy so get used to it & drive accordingly.
Indeed, good innit.
I really have difficulty in understanding why people are in such a rush. When you analyse what the road conditions are and the risk of having a serious accident is at this time of the year, it really is a no brainerā¦I can only summise that others do not take this approach and expect the roads to be in a constant state year round They truly must be stupid! We are all at the mercy of nature, it`s what makes life interesting
triple-tango:
I live in rural Lincolnshire, it gets muddy so get used to it & drive accordingly.
Indeed, good innit.
I really have difficulty in understanding why people are in such a rush. When you analyse what the road conditions are and the risk of having a serious accident is at this time of the year, it really is a no brainerā¦I can only summise that others do not take this approach and expect the roads to be in a constant state year round They truly must be stupid! We are all at the mercy of nature, it`s what makes life interesting
Its not just a case of people being in a rush.All the thread is about getting the farmers to be more responsible in clearing excessive mud off the roads in times,such as potato or beet harvesting.
We all expect to see small amounts of mud on the road.
Cheers Daveā¦ 65 years of country living.
if they do put signs up there covered in mud in no time. I was following a s^*t slinger yesterday, not content with covering the road he also had no rear number plate, no offside rear light or indicator, no nearside indicator, see how far you get in a lorry like that before you get pulled. The bottom line of it is they donāt give a toss.
They truly must be stupid! We are all at the mercy of nature, it`s what makes life interesting 