Bin Man:
Will we see battery swap stations for trucks in the not too distant future?
We can change our forklift batteries without an engineer callout
Wheel Nut:
Bin Man:
Will we see battery swap stations for trucks in the not too distant future?We can change our forklift batteries without an engineer callout
Do they run 24/7 if not why not charge overnight?
Ours run on bottled of gas.
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Carryfast:
Drivers will spend more time working as warehouse labour than driving anywhere.
Do you never get bored of posting the same nonsense endlessly. (No question mark as it’s a rhetorical question)
Such a tedious man
Everyone is discussing the benefits of electric trucks but no one knows if it works.Up here a trial has already been undertaken by a large mining co to transport iron ore with electric Volvos.It was a total failure.The normal mining trucks are 10 axle road trains running at 90t gross with a payload of 60t.They run from the mine to the railhead,app 150kms,They do 2 trips per 8 hr shift.The electric trucks were 5 axle rigids running at 40t gross with a payload of 16t as it was not possible the make them capable of carrying more in relation to battery range.It was discovered that even at this weight they only had a range of 120kms and had to charge before reaching the railhead.During the winter in temps of -30c the range was reduced to 76kms.
whisperingsmith:
Caption competition: CF’s mates watching him ******* ****** ***** ■■?0
I think that falls down in expecting him to have any mates
hutpik:
Everyone is discussing the benefits of electric trucks but no one knows if it works.Up here a trial has already been undertaken by a large mining co to transport iron ore with electric Volvos.It was a total failure.The normal mining trucks are 10 axle road trains running at 90t gross with a payload of 60t.They run from the mine to the railhead,app 150kms,They do 2 trips per 8 hr shift.The electric trucks were 5 axle rigids running at 40t gross with a payload of 16t as it was not possible the make them capable of carrying more in relation to battery range.It was discovered that even at this weight they only had a range of 120kms and had to charge before reaching the railhead.During the winter in temps of -30c the range was reduced to 76kms.
No one thinks they are the definitive answer yet, way too early for that. It’s just an idea that’s being explored with hydrogen. Plus fact is for an enormous part of transport industry weight is irrelevant
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Drivers will spend more time working as warehouse labour than driving anywhere.Do you never get bored of posting the same nonsense endlessly. (No question mark as it’s a rhetorical question)
Such a tedious man
If anyone would actually employ him then he would realise and find out that what he continually posts is a load of crap as far as the vast majority of jobs go, however we all know he is un-employable and no-one will touch him with a bargepole, thus we end up with the tedious repetitive nonsense.
tmcassett:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Drivers will spend more time working as warehouse labour than driving anywhere.Do you never get bored of posting the same nonsense endlessly. (No question mark as it’s a rhetorical question)
Such a tedious man
If anyone would actually employ him then he would realise and find out that what he continually posts is a load of crap as far as the vast majority of jobs go, however we all know he is un-employable and no-one will touch him with a bargepole, thus we end up with the tedious repetitive nonsense.
What makes me sad is how he’s clearly not a stupid man and if he had used his 20+ year retirement for something worthwhile he could have done so much. But that would require not being retired and I doubt he’s up for a move that radical
Truckulent:
We do not have the technology for electric trucks that are practical.I’ll give you the money myself of you ever see an electric truck run the length of the country. As for overhead power lines. Err… we had those years ago on trolley buses…
All this electric vehicle stuff is great apart from one thing. We don’t yet have the tech for it to work. Truck wise I doubt we ever will have.
Replacing ICE with electric now is like trying to fly to the moon in a Tiger Moth. In theory it seems plausible, but in practice it simply isnt happening anytime soon.
They don’t intend to send trucks around or ‘the length of the country’.They only see a local distribution dominated industry.Rail will do the distance side of the job.Just like the 1930’s.
Boris will happily turn the place into a treeless, nuked dustbowl in trying to make his biomass, nuke, solar farm fuelled nightmare work at 26p per kwh.
I’d guess that rigid 6 wheeler EV 26 tonners would provide similar payload as present 18 tonners for final distribution and even 6 x 2 day cabbed tractor units would probably be sufficient for the type of local inter RDC/warehouse shunting work which the road transport industry is to be reduced to.
I guess that the weight saving of day cab v sleeper and no engine transmission package weight might just be enough to provide sufficiently viable unladen weight including batteries, given short enough distances required to be covered in a shift.
The energy costs to re charge alone will dictate massively reduced distances covered.
Given another three similar rail hubs North and South and West will probably do it.
Notice the narrative for the reasons why no one wants the job is all being steered towards a supposed resistance by drivers to relatively long haul work and trying to create interest among naive groups who they think will know no better.
The government thinks that it can use local distribution dominated work as a selling point to potential new entrants not a deal breaker.
Looking online I found this article interesting.
LIBERTY_GUY:
Looking online I found this article interesting.
Based on that article they admit range is an issue, they admit cost is an issue they admit charging is too slow and they admit the I infrastructure to run such a system is way behind what it needs.
The whole thing seems to hang on "it should be ok in ten years’ time. Well, hopefully it will be. Maybe. "
If this was a business plan and you took it to a bank’s business manager with the intention of annexing a loan from them, they’d laugh you out of the building. It’s all based on a knee jerk reaction to something that is far from certain in the first place - and hasn’t even remotely been thought through anyway.
What a joke.
The bit about pricing petrol and diesel off the road will be true though. You can always rely on them to ramp taxes up at every opportunity…
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Truckulent:
What a joke.The bit about pricing petrol and diesel off the road will be true though. You can always rely on them to ramp taxes up at every opportunity…
I have absolutely no doubt that come 2030, those light hauliers still running diesel based vans are going to get hammered, as indeed are the private motorists still using diesel vehicles. We will be demonised by the press I guess.
I did find a Renault diesel rigid that Warburtons are going to be used in central London. Although rated at 16 tonnes GVW, the payload is just six tonnes and its range just 93 mile in that flat landscape. Trouble with battery ranges though, is that range diminishes in the winter when you have lights, wipers and heaters all draining the charge.
LIBERTY_GUY:
Looking online I found this article interesting.
It looks like the day of the white van man maybe numbered.
switchlogic:
hutpik:
Everyone is discussing the benefits of electric trucks but no one knows if it works.Up here a trial has already been undertaken by a large mining co to transport iron ore with electric Volvos.It was a total failure.The normal mining trucks are 10 axle road trains running at 90t gross with a payload of 60t.They run from the mine to the railhead,app 150kms,They do 2 trips per 8 hr shift.The electric trucks were 5 axle rigids running at 40t gross with a payload of 16t as it was not possible the make them capable of carrying more in relation to battery range.It was discovered that even at this weight they only had a range of 120kms and had to charge before reaching the railhead.During the winter in temps of -30c the range was reduced to 76kms.No one thinks they are the definitive answer yet, way too early for that. It’s just an idea that’s being explored with hydrogen. Plus fact is for an enormous part of transport industry weight is irrelevant
You seem to be missing the point ‘‘moving freight to rail’’.
We had a ( sort of ) functioning ‘logistics’ industry in the 1920’s/30’s with nothing much more generally than todays 7.5 tonners, let alone 18 tonners, in terms of payloads.
To serve more than half of todays population.
Battery weights for EV’s are obviously dependent on gross weights and range requirement.
We’re talking about a massive reduction in range requirement.Combined with possibly lighter tare vehicle weight without the need for sleeper cabs and engine transmission v electric drive package and a sustainable reduction in payload expectations.
The resulting first and last major nuclear disaster will stop this silly agenda in its tracks.Probably with all the excuses by its proponents no one could have foreseen such a disaster.Obviously too late by then.
switchlogic:
What makes me sad is how he’s clearly not a stupid man and if he had used his 20+ year retirement for something worthwhile he could have done so much. But that would require not being retired and I doubt he’s up for a move that radical
You seem to have missed the references to I have been ‘working’ in my ‘retirement’ driving cars around the country instead of trucks.I also enjoy doing the job just as much as I did driving trucks.
The problem being that there is laughably insufficient work because there are equally laughably far too many other younger people who also want the same work, because they don’t want to be a labourer/LGV ‘driver’.
The rest of them can either be seen lined up with their mopeds outside the fast food outlets doing local fast food deliveries.
Or applying for the limited trainee train driver apprenticeships on offer.
Or possibly a combination of all three.
Carryfast:
The problem being that there is laughably insufficient work because there are equally laughably far too many other younger people who also want the same work, because they don’t want to be a labourer/LGV ‘driver’.
Probably plenty of work going in that industry based on that podcast posted above. It’s just you are finding the same problem you find in the lorry world, no-one will employ you because you probably rock up on day 1 telling them everything that you think is wrong with the job and how they could be doing it better so it suits what you want!
tmcassett:
Carryfast:
The problem being that there is laughably insufficient work because there are equally laughably far too many other younger people who also want the same work, because they don’t want to be a labourer/LGV ‘driver’.Probably plenty of work going in that industry based on that podcast posted above. It’s just you are finding the same problem you find in the lorry world, no-one will employ you because you probably rock up on day 1 telling them everything that you think is wrong with the job and how they could be doing it better so it suits what you want!
You mean the similar problem as the lorry world of employers trying to save wage costs by trying to fill the role of vehicle condition/valuation assessor and calling the role car delivery/collection driver.
Obviously loads of staff turnover in that sector virtually constant adverts.
I’m surprised that many vehicle lease customers haven’t challenged their lease return valuations/condition ‘assessments’ on the basis of the automotive engineering qualifications of the ‘assessor’.
It was me who walked away from two such inductions and wouldn’t touch those constantly advertised jobs with a bargepole not the employers refused to employ me.
I was obviously referring to the better quality work in which the job role title means what it says.
Either way the employers can get away with it because young people still prefer that than working as a logistics operative/labourer/LGV Driver.
A situation which can only get worse as the ‘road transport industry’ continues its degenerative spiral back to its position in the 1930’s of a local delivery service.
Let me guess you’ll also say I’m not driving a moped doing fast food deliveries, which many young people also seem to prefer than driving a truck, because the employers don’t want to employ me in that role either.
Carryfast:
tmcassett:
Carryfast:
The problem being that there is laughably insufficient work because there are equally laughably far too many other younger people who also want the same work, because they don’t want to be a labourer/LGV ‘driver’.Probably plenty of work going in that industry based on that podcast posted above. It’s just you are finding the same problem you find in the lorry world, no-one will employ you because you probably rock up on day 1 telling them everything that you think is wrong with the job and how they could be doing it better so it suits what you want!
You mean the similar problem as the lorry world of employers trying to save wage costs by trying to fill the role of vehicle condition/valuation assessor and calling the role car delivery/collection driver.
Obviously loads of staff turnover in that sector virtually constant adverts.
I’m surprised that many vehicle lease customers haven’t challenged their lease return valuations/condition ‘assessments’ on the basis of the automotive engineering qualifications of the ‘assessor’.
It was me who walked away from two such inductions and wouldn’t touch those constantly advertised jobs with a bargepole not the employers refused to employ me.
I was obviously referring to the better quality work in which the job role title means what it says.
Either way the employers can get away with it because young people still prefer that than working as a logistics operative/labourer/LGV Driver.
A situation which can only get worse as the ‘road transport industry’ continues its degenerative spiral back to its position in the 1930’s of a local delivery service.
Let me guess you’ll also say I’m not driving a moped doing fast food deliveries, which many young people also seem to prefer than driving a truck, because the employers don’t want to employ me in that role either.
My point is proven - you are unemployable and the reason is staring back at you in the mirror!