Kerbdog:
Both drivers are so competent that they didnt see any signs to indicate the hard shoulder was open for use
Read it again thorougly. I stated that they didnt see ANY signs to indicate the hard shoulder was open.
Read it properly, understand it and realise that people driving down a hard shoulder is a bit more than “gibberish”. Its dangerous and an accident in waiting as i’m sure you wil agree.
Especially as i wouldn’t expect someone driving on the Hard Shoulder and may swerve left,or walk on it in Standing Traffic
Kerbdog:
Oh look, it’s the spelling police. Typing on a keyboard on a Samsung Galaxy S3 is a bit awkward when the keys are a quarter of the size of the tip of my finger. Also im doing mult-drop and do not have the time to proof read. As you saw i quoted myself and saw the missing letters which I then added correctly before you decided to take the thread on a spelling course.
As regards my wording, I understand how you mis-interpreted my post but i used the word ‘competent’ and did not use the word ‘incompetent’. This would indicate to any advanced intellectual such as yourself of my point. The fact that you have mis-read the OP and moved on to disect grammar and spelling merely highlighting the fact that you know you have read the OP wrong before posting your reply. A continuation of being unable to admit your subtle error in reading has manifested into a childish stance over spelling and grammer on a mobile phone.
Please PM me if you wish to continue the discussion. Nobody on TN wants to see a childish ■■■ for tat discussion hijacking a thread, sir !
I love how you are blaming your mobile phone for your inability to string a coherent sentence together. So the signs said that you could run on the h/s then, is that what you were trying to say?
Welcome back Robk, and merry xmas…NOT…Go back to that dark little slimy [zb]hole you crawled out of…trucknetuk was a better place when you weren’t around…tata
Kerbdog:
Well done to the lady in the honda and the guy in the white sprinter around 8ish this morning who were both driving for 4 miles down the hard shoulder of the m6s from the m54 to j10 . Both drivrs are so competent that they didnt see any signs to indicate the hqrd shoulder was open for use. Even beeping the horn got me one of them completely oblivious looks.
Your right there mate. I def think the standard of driving is dropping alarmingly! I understood what you wrote, and think that they are what I consider to be Ignorant motorists - the most dangerous of all, as they are unpredictable. In all probability the fact that they are following the letter of the law - always stick to the left allbeit too literally.
Trying in vain to dig your way out of an epic fail like that just makes you look twice the . Resorting to picking apart other people’s spelling and grammar is just pure desperation.
What a desperate you are.
Go back to lurking in the shadows old boy, you’ve lost your touch for sure.
Kerbdog:
Well done to the lady in the honda and the guy in the white sprinter around 8ish this morning who were both driving for 4 miles down the hard shoulder of the m6s from the m54 to j10 . Both drivrs are so competent that they didnt see any signs to indicate the hqrd shoulder was open for use. Even beeping the horn got me one of them completely oblivious looks.
Kerbdog,
My reading of your post is that the two drivers in question were driving on the H/S when they shouldn’t have been, but in all fairness, it’s a little unclear as to whether the lights giving such permission were actually lit.
Not by way of criticism, but I did have to read it a couple of times to get your meaning though.
I’ve no idea about the type of phone you use, but does pete904ni have a point about customising it?
I read the original post and understood it first time, i aint the best at spellin and dont really care, what i will say is,
I completly agree with you, the lights always indicate wether the lane is live or in busy traffic indicate if its closed to traffic, at other times there are no lights indicating so as i believe should be used as a hard shoulder only.
Hell its not that difficult is it■■?
And if anyone wants to nock me spellin, fill yer boots cause if youve nowt better to do please feel free to waste some or yer time.
i’m afraid it’s about someone worrying about what other people are doing, rather than concentrating on what he should be doing.
we could look at it from an alternative point of view. women stops on hard shoulder as she is having problems with her brakes, she phones her husband and he turns up. they decide it’s safer to deal with the problem at the next services, she sets off along the hard shoulder with her husband in the car behind. after a few miles a know it all lorry driver scares the [zb] out of the women by traveling along side the already nervous female blasting his airhorns.
i’ve said it before, and i’ll say it again. “just because there is milk on the doorstep, it dosn’t mean there is a cow in the kitchen”.
I am under the impression that they open the H/S up when it is busy. If it wasn’t busy and they had it open then i can see a big smash up taking place with a broken down motorist
I dunno who’s idea this managed motorway scheme was, but I just can’t comprehend the stupidity of it.
We go to accidents in the wreckers where the road is jammed solid with traffic.
2 options, run down the hard shoulder or sit in the traffic.
We’re not an emergency service (although the longer it takes us, the longer the road is closed), but what happens for the fire, police and ambulance crews attending an RTA when the hard shoulder is jammed solid too?
On occasion (with serious/fatal RTAs), we’ll be instructed by the police to go down backroads to the next junction and run north up the southbound / south down the northbound to get to scene.
Dual carriageways without a hard shoulder, we run straight down the centre line of 2 lanes, and rely on the traffic pulling to the left and right to make room. This only works when the traffic isn’t bumper to bumper.
Once the traffic is stationary, there’s nowhere for them to move to, so we get stuck.
What the OP describes sounds like a little complacency - perhaps the 2 people he describes had run that road for the last 5 days, and each day they followed other traffic on the (open) hard shoulder. This day, the hard shoulder is closed and they don’t realise the difference.
Either way, as MickeyBlue says, when they’re batting down the hard shoulder, I prey there’s no-one broken down/changing a tyre there, or there will be a crash.
The funniest part of this thread was when discussing the intended meaning and grammar, and debating good or bad English, Immigrant of all people comes on and tries to clarify it …Classic!
A few weeks ago, I was coming down the managed motorway part of the M6, all speeds saying 60mph for all lanes, so I was on the limiter when I saw the broken down car.
It was on a reasonably straight bit, so a pretty good warning, and also the vehicle next to me eased off when I indicated, so not drastic, but parts of that motorway go round left hand bends and it could’ve been fatal.
55mph into a car in a loaded artic, I’d hate to see the after effects of that
I stay out of the hard shoulder now unless it becomes a dedicated lane for my junction, bad idea in my opinion.
waynedl:
55mph into a car in a loaded artic, I’d hate to see the after effects of that
Seen it many times, and it usually ends with a coroners inquest
The worry here is, what happens when the guy in lane 1 can’t move over/doesn’t spot the problem?
Then you’ve got nowhere to go. Even if you stop in time, you’ll end up stationary on the hard shoulder trying to pull out into 50mph+ traffic.
I can’t get my head round these “Managed Motorways”, in busy times the Hard Shoulder is transformed in Lane 1? So if a Vehicle breaks down it is basically forced into stopping in Lane 1 till a lorry wipes it away and several hundred feet over the banking at 56mph?
EDIT: Looks like I’m not the only one, just the slowest
Kerbdog:
Both drivers are so competent that they didnt see any signs to indicate the hard shoulder was open for use
Read it again thorougly. I stated that they didnt see ANY signs to indicate the hard shoulder was open.
Read it properly, understand it and realise that people driving down a hard shoulder is a bit more than “gibberish”. Its dangerous and an accident in waiting as i’m sure you wil agree.
ffs your the idiot you said hard shoulder was open to drive in they were on an open lane how the ■■■■ can you say they were doing anything wrong more to the point how the ■■■■ do you know what they saw you sir are the idiot
Kerbdog:
Both drivers are so competent that they didnt see any signs to indicate the hard shoulder was open for use
Read it again thorougly. I stated that they didnt see ANY signs to indicate the hard shoulder was open.
Read it properly, understand it and realise that people driving down a hard shoulder is a bit more than “gibberish”. Its dangerous and an accident in waiting as i’m sure you wil agree.
ffs your the idiot you said hard shoulder was open to drive in they were on an open lane how the [zb] can you say they were doing anything wrong more to the point how the [zb] do you know what they saw you sir are the idiot
JJ,
It’s easy for Kerbdog to say that those two drivers couldn’t see the signs… because the signs weren’t lit.
I wasn’t there that day, but I’ll go a bit further now… nobody else could see the signs lit either!!
I read the OP and understand it no probs, this sort of thing takes place on the m42, folk get used to using the h/s and use it at times even when the signs don’t indicate that it is open ( this means that the h/s closed as a live lane )
There should be a red X if it isn’t to be used in my opinion. There are quite a few people on the motorways that don’t use them regularly and could get confused easily. (Probably think the highway code is a secret lingo for traffic police)
A red X will remove any doubt and make the road safer for everyone.
So the signs said that you could run on the h/s then, is that what you were trying to say?
