Try being a bulk tipper driver we do a 9 hour drive skills (epic) course every 5 years but then all the quarries insist on inducting you every year as do the scrap yards and some recycling centres ppe’d up to the max some places won’t let you get on the back to sweep out even though I have a proper ladder to get in.
I have a folder full of induction forms and booklets and many ID cards.
It’s a ■■■■■■■ joke lol
tango boy:
Try being a bulk tipper driver we do a 9 hour drive skills (epic) course every 5 years but then all the quarries insist on inducting you every year as do the scrap yards and some recycling centres ppe’d up to the max some places won’t let you get on the back to sweep out even though I have a proper ladder to get in.
I have a folder full of induction forms and booklets and many ID cards.
It’s a [zb] joke lol
I’m sorry but if you can’t take a joke I think you need a career change. Remember they only have your welfare at heart.
Fincham:
tango boy:
Try being a bulk tipper driver we do a 9 hour drive skills (epic) course every 5 years but then all the quarries insist on inducting you every year as do the scrap yards and some recycling centres ppe’d up to the max some places won’t let you get on the back to sweep out even though I have a proper ladder to get in.
I have a folder full of induction forms and booklets and many ID cards.
It’s a [zb] joke lolI’m sorry but if you can’t take a joke I think you need a career change. Remember they only have your welfare at heart.
Who’s joking 
Fincham:
tango boy:
Try being a bulk tipper driver we do a 9 hour drive skills (epic) course every 5 years but then all the quarries insist on inducting you every year as do the scrap yards and some recycling centres ppe’d up to the max some places won’t let you get on the back to sweep out even though I have a proper ladder to get in.
I have a folder full of induction forms and booklets and many ID cards.
It’s a [zb] joke lolI’m sorry but if you can’t take a joke I think you need a career change. Remember they only have your welfare at heart.
No one has our welfare at heart, they have covering their own arse at heart, nothing more.
A.
robroy:
What I wondered was, seeing as I was on my co.s trailer, surely the co’s employers liability insurance would cover me if I fell off.
Ok maybe not if I was doing acrobatics on the trailer roof or something, but it was an essential and legitamite job I was doing…preparing the straps prior to securing.
I know somebody else said it, but the site operator is considered responsible for contractors on their site. A few years ago a company fined after a builder died falling through their roof, because they hadn’t check the procedures that a building contractor was going to use when working on their roof.
Personally I can’t understand how can a company that aren’t builders are going to know if the procedures that a builder uses are going to be correct?
Although in this case they might have had half an idea as I seem to remember that the builder hadn’t used crawling boards and seemed to be a one man band who’d got a family member in to help him.
Having said that I believe Health and Safety is important, not everybody who gets injured does so because of lack of common sense, and there wasn’t a golden age where people weren’t injured or killed at work because they had this abundance of common sense.
Many people injured have done the same job for years, but a momentary lapse of concentration, complacency or a company not buying and insisting on the use of the correct piece of kit has meant they’ve been injured, killed or suffered long term health problems.
The problem for me is when companies seem to make up Health and Safety rules but don’t seem to have thought it through, but it ticks the boxes to avoid them being sued.
Adonis.:
Fincham:
tango boy:
Try being a bulk tipper driver we do a 9 hour drive skills (epic) course every 5 years but then all the quarries insist on inducting you every year as do the scrap yards and some recycling centres ppe’d up to the max some places won’t let you get on the back to sweep out even though I have a proper ladder to get in.
I have a folder full of induction forms and booklets and many ID cards.
It’s a [zb] joke lolI’m sorry but if you can’t take a joke I think you need a career change. Remember they only have your welfare at heart.
No one has our welfare at heart, they have covering their own arse at heart, nothing more.
A.
Precisely.
It’s got to the point where health and safety is seen as a joke and is more in the interest of protecting the liability of the company than the safety of the individual.
Handing your keys in was fine and letting you remain in the cab worked till some twunt thought he was being clever handing in fake keys.
Now we are treated as idiots because of a minority of well idiots.
We can change things by pulling together and saying ‘No’ but solidarity is not our strong point.
However a breaking point will be reached where a few of us will deliberately get banned from delivery points and just maybe some ■■■■ jobsworth may notice we are sick of this crap.
Course there’s always another mug who will put up with it but it’s a finite supply and perhaps one day the pool of the stupid willing to take it up the wrong un for the benefit of the arse coverers will dry up.
Times are changing or maybe they ain’t, who knows.
Anyway must dash I’m off to panic buy some lettuce, I don’t even like forking lettuce.
[I’m currently banned from all Sainsburys RDC’s, anyone care to join me. No thought not]
tango boy:
some places won’t let you get on the back to sweep out.
I had this a few years ago. Went from Witney to Newbury with topsoil, with a backload of flint from Thatcham. Whilst sweeping out, I missed an unrelated call from the TM. When I returned the call, I apologised for the missed call and explained I what I was doing. Got a telling off for breaking H and S rules. I was meant to drive back to Witney, use the quarrys’ hosepipe then past where I’d delivered to for my “backload.” 
Dipper_Dave:
[I’m currently banned from all Sainsburys RDC’s, anyone care to join me. No thought not]
This is the way forward to avoid having to tip at the ■■■■ inspired H&S obsessed yards, either bang the forkie or security cabbage out …job done… 
Fincham:
AndrewG:
rob22888:
Allowed to stay in your cab with your keys. Wheel locking system & a big stop sign plonked in front of your cab. An actually sensible (if still OTT) system. If everywhere was like that i’d be happy.Wtf is that all about?? Why would you need a locking wheel system and a big stop sign plonked in front of you for?? They could get to [zb] anyone clamping crap to my shiny Alcoas…
I delivered to Mars at Kings Lynn, they had a wheel system which consisted of a bar that went in front of front trailer axle. They then took your keys off you and you weren’t allowed in the cab whilst you were tipped.
Ah, im with you, the trailer axle. I still wouldnt give the keys to my truck to any yard monkey no matter what H&S rules they were dribbling though…
It is only companies trying to protect themselves from the claims they can get. I bet everyone on here knows someone who has claimed for some kind of injury at work.
No one should go to work to get injured but unfortunately the old days of common sense are not coming back.
It is a hateful situation to be in, but it is what it is.
Unfortunately companies HAVE to blow money on H+S, money that could go on wages, or better conditions. When I started we never had vis vests etc. Now look at what PPE consists of…
I think it’s partly down to H+S as anyone on a company’s premises is the responsibility of the company regarding the legislation… but it’s also partly the company not providing adequate facilities under the same legislation for working at heights as getting on most trailers would come under this ruling.
Companies just covering themselves really. As unlikely at it may well be, If you got on a trailer and tripped up and off you bounced on the ground they would probably have the H+S Executive down on them and they are rarely a forgiving bunch of people to deal with.
andy_s:
I think it’s partly down to H+S as anyone on a company’s premises is the responsibility of the company regarding the legislation… but it’s also partly the company not providing adequate facilities under the same legislation for working at heights as getting on most trailers would come under this ruling.Companies just covering themselves really. As unlikely at it may well be, If you got on a trailer
But before all this ballcocks was inplemented we all climbed over stuff, got a lift on the forks, jumped on and off trailers, went up a ladder to build a tilt back up ect ect and we’re all stil here. Yes there may have been a few cuts and bruises here and there but nothing to amount to the ridiculous legislation these places put in force now and it just seems to get worse 
Just glad i dont drive in the UK anymore, H&S over heres blasphemy…
andy_s:
I think it’s partly down to H+S as anyone on a company’s premises is the responsibility of the company regarding the legislation… but it’s also partly the company not providing adequate facilities under the same legislation for working at heights as getting on most trailers would come under this ruling.Companies just covering themselves really. As unlikely at it may well be, If you got on a trailer and tripped up and off you bounced on the ground they would probably have the H+S Executive down on them and they are rarely a forgiving bunch of people to deal with.
Whilst I agree with this, the other side of the coin is that in some instances their own employees are so badly disciplined that they are the biggest cause of accidents.
I used to load at a factory which required me to reverse on to the loading bay on some occasions. This was done under the guidance of a banksman but their forklifts carried on rushing around instead of everybody stopping until movement was completed. I ended up having to brake on occasions despite being waved on by the banksman.
AndrewG:
andy_s:
I think it’s partly down to H+S as anyone on a company’s premises is the responsibility of the company regarding the legislation… but it’s also partly the company not providing adequate facilities under the same legislation for working at heights as getting on most trailers would come under this ruling.Companies just covering themselves really. As unlikely at it may well be, If you got on a trailer and tripped up and off you bounced on the ground they would probably have the H+S Executive down on them and they are rarely a forgiving bunch of people to deal with.
But before all this ballcocks was inplemented we all climbed over stuff, got a lift on the forks, jumped on and off trailers, went up a ladder to build a tilt back up ect ect and we’re all stil here. Yes there may have been a few cuts and bruises here and there but nothing to amount to the ridiculous legislation these places put in force now and it just seems to get worse
It started off very subtle mate, all those people claiming for a broken fingernail etc. and getting a few quid out of someone else for their own stupidity has rocketed to silly levels now. I know what you mean about years ago. I recall one incident when I decided to take a hammer to the cable ratchet that was frozen solid on a trailer and kept hammering it to try and release it… upshot was the hammer bounced back and hit me on the temple (still got the scar) knocked me out and had to go A+E for stitches… all I got was some of the lads taking the pee for a week… my fault and never thought of suing someone else for my stupidity.
If companies have an obvious blatant regard for safety and some used to (and probably still do) then that’s another thing altogether.
About 18 mph ago now I fell of the side of the trailer ( was sorting out straps for next load ) climbed off missed my footing fell result fractured ankle which was pinned & ruptured Achilles op to repair this. The TM asked me about it as had to make a statement for H&S yep was my fault didn’t make a claim at all
It took many mth to heal it is the best it will ever be now
I do know someone who was on a dock they had the locking wheel method he did have his keys but drove off before he was fully tipped ripped out the locking dock yes he was English before anyone says anything driving a RHD this was at Perfleet so having the locking dock & stop sign in front should prefent this
Drivers have handed fake key in & left before they should or left fake keys at desk 1 guy handed his house keys in drove off left them he had to go back for them
So while I don’t always agree with all this H&S drivers have themselves to blame
animal:
So while I don’t always agree with all this H&S drivers have themselves to blame
This is always the case, us all suffering because of a minority of half wits.
You wouldn’t think places like Amazon would need to take your keys off you after applying an airline lock to your trailer, however people have still driven off bays on the shunt button. It’s embarrassing really.
Back to the original point about climbing on trailers, a family member of mine fell from a small height at work last year and hit his head when he landed. Been in hospital & now rehab ever since with a serious head injury and it doesn’t look like he will ever be the same man again, all he did was climb up a small step ladder without assistance. That “unnecessary h&s ■■■■■■■■” of needing assistance to climb up three steps could well have prevented his life from changing forever. It’s certainly made me think about clambering up onto trailers & over loads to bugger about with straps.
rob22888:
animal:
So while I don’t always agree with all this H&S drivers have themselves to blameThis is always the case, us all suffering because of a minority of half wits.
You wouldn’t think places like Amazon would need to take your keys off you after applying an airline lock to your trailer, however people have still driven off bays on the shunt button. It’s embarrassing really.
Back to the original point about climbing on trailers, a family member of mine fell from a small height at work last year and hit his head when he landed. Been in hospital & now rehab ever since with a serious head injury and it doesn’t look like he will ever be the same man again, all he did was climb up a small step ladder without assistance. That “unnecessary h&s ■■■■■■■■” of needing assistance to climb up three steps could well have prevented his life from changing forever. It’s certainly made me think about clambering up onto trailers & over loads to bugger about with straps.
A driver in our place jumped into the back of a trl last night.
He don’t use the steps because he caught his fingers a few times,
USE the palm of your hand fingers are out the way,
THE LADDER IS STIFF, Report it on a defect simple thing if everyone checks kit and reports it.
Maybe we’re lucky as any defect is sorted.
We can all think of examples where stuff went wrong and somebody suffered badly.
Statisticlly things like this will always happen, but for every time it has happened, there is maybe a ratio of 1 to 5000 (pure estimate) where things have gone off safely.
It’s all about keeping things in perspective and not getting carried away by knee jerk reactions resulting in blanket bans and downright ridiculous procedures.
robroy:
We can all think of examples where stuff went wrong and somebody suffered badly.
Statisticlly things like this will always happen, but for every time it has happened, there is maybe a ratio of 1 to 5000 (pure estimate) where things have gone off safely.
It’s all about keeping things in perspective and not getting carried away by knee jerk reactions resulting in blanket bans and downright ridiculous procedures.
Totally agree but as said .
There are them who can’t help but screw things up that effect every sane driver.
Just look at how we’re treated, segregation everywhere,