We have a new ‘leader’ at work who isn’t actually a Transport Manager as he isn’t qualified. The TM is based elsewhere. Anyway, he’s using this to see who’s doing their vehicle checks and also what time staff are starting and leaving work going back days if not weeks. I’m sure this kind of thing isn’t allowed as we haven’t been told that this is being done but simply informed by office staff members who have seen it going on or been asked to do the checking. Does anybody have experience or knowledge of this type of thing going on?
He is breaking the law.
He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
Get a written grievance into HR tomorrow
kcrussell25:
He is breaking the law.He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
Get a written grievance into HR tomorrow
Calm down Matlock, it’s not that black and white
He’s allowed to monitor the CCTV if he has a valid reason. Checking start and finish times is, to me anyway, a bit much but I reckon he could sell using it to see whos doing their checks on the safety aspect.
Whether its morally acceptable though, is another matter altogether.
Wonder how long itll be before a “No way id stand for that and id walk out if they tried it” type comment appears
The-Snowman:
kcrussell25:
He is breaking the law.He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
Get a written grievance into HR tomorrow
Calm down Matlock, it’s not that black and white
He’s allowed to monitor the CCTV if he has a valid reason. Checking start and finish times is, to me anyway, a bit much but I reckon he could sell using it to see whos doing their checks on the safety aspect.
Whether its morally acceptable though, is another matter altogether.Wonder how long itll be before a “No way id stand for that and id walk out if they tried it” type comment appears
He needs a specific reason to check. Such as a certain driver was seen not doing checks to do so. Or a certain driver put 5 on his timesheet but was seen leaving at 4.
The data protection act was very clear on it. Whilst I haven’t read the gdpr that replaced it I can’t believe it will be any different given its stricter.
If he wants to do random checks he needs to walk around and look to see it. Once he has seen it the CCTV provides the supporting evidence
I was reading something from ACAS I think which stated that employees need to be made aware that CCTV is in operation and what it’s used for. So, if it’s used for security and the staff are told as such, then it shouldn’t be used to watch drivers performing vehicle checks. And there’s an ‘implied legal obligation of trust and confidence’ between employer and employee. That seems to have totally gone out of the window with this bloke.
The-Snowman:
kcrussell25:
He is breaking the law.He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
Get a written grievance into HR tomorrow
Calm down Matlock, it’s not that black and white
He’s allowed to monitor the CCTV if he has a valid reason. Checking start and finish times is, to me anyway, a bit much but I reckon he could sell using it to see whos doing their checks on the safety aspect.
Whether its morally acceptable though, is another matter altogether.Wonder how long itll be before a “No way id stand for that and id walk out if they tried it” type comment appears
I’d love to make the comment but these days, there’s bloody cameras everywhere if you work for a larger company. It’s annoying though, to think someone is watching while you doing the checks
Keep yer head down, get on with yer job and eventually this twonk will realise that his non productive job is under threat and he’ll focus his attention elsewhere.
Well (clears throat for a big announcement)… If your not doing anything wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about !!! 
remy:
Well (clears throat for a big announcement)… If your not doing anything wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about !!!
Checking the arrival and departure times of staff is interesting, maybe for someone those times differ substantially and repetitively from those being booked or claimed, he might be gathering evidence for suspected fraud (claiming pay for time that hasn’t been worked) or comparing tacho times ( and manual entries?) correspond with actual working times.
Either way, if he discover any wrong doing there won’t be any of this Americanese ‘not admissable in court’ ■■■■■■■■ about the CCTV.
kcrussell25:
He is breaking the law.He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
You should stop believing all the ■■■■■■■■ you hear in RDC waiting rooms and read on Facebook, it just makes you look stupid.
Conor:
kcrussell25:
He is breaking the law.He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
You should stop believing all the ■■■■■■■■ you hear in RDC waiting rooms and read on Facebook, it just makes you look stupid.
Coming from you I’ll take that as a compliment…
Keeping short as I’m on my phone but unless policy says CCTV will be used to monitor start times etc it can’t be used for that unless a specific incident gives reason to. I assume policy doesn’t say that due to the claim of harassment it opens.
Nothing from Facebook or waiting rooms
Juddian:
Checking the arrival and departure times of staff is interesting, maybe for someone those times differ substantially and repetitively from those being booked or claimed, he might be gathering evidence for suspected fraud (claiming pay for time that hasn’t been worked) or comparing tacho times ( and manual entries?) correspond with actual working times.Either way, if he discover any wrong doing there won’t be any of this Americanese ‘not admissable in court’ ■■■■■■■■ about the CCTV.
If he has reason such as something like this then he can. However he would be wrong for doing it where others can see him doing so as they shouldn’t be able to see it.
Also he needs to be sure he can demonstrate that he has valid reason to believe this and is not harassing someone. I agree there won’t be anything “not admissable etc” but no good getting the person sacked and losing your own job through not following process…
Sploom:
The-Snowman:
kcrussell25:
He is breaking the law.He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
Get a written grievance into HR tomorrow
Calm down Matlock, it’s not that black and white
He’s allowed to monitor the CCTV if he has a valid reason. Checking start and finish times is, to me anyway, a bit much but I reckon he could sell using it to see whos doing their checks on the safety aspect.
Whether its morally acceptable though, is another matter altogether.Wonder how long itll be before a “No way id stand for that and id walk out if they tried it” type comment appears
I’d love to make the comment but these days, there’s bloody cameras everywhere if you work for a larger company. It’s annoying though, to think someone is watching while you doing the checks
I found that big companies were often the most slack on compliance.
I wouldn’t expect to win the grievance as he will tell the office staff to shut up and sweep it under the carpet. However I would be sure they would tell the manager to back off
kcrussell25:
Conor:
kcrussell25:
He is breaking the law.He should only be reviewing CCTV to investigate a specific incident or complaint.
You should stop believing all the ■■■■■■■■ you hear in RDC waiting rooms and read on Facebook, it just makes you look stupid.
Coming from you I’ll take that as a compliment…
Keeping short as I’m on my phone but unless policy says CCTV will be used to monitor start times etc it can’t be used for that unless a specific incident gives reason to. I assume policy doesn’t say that due to the claim of harassment it opens.
Nothing from Facebook or waiting rooms
The policy Of companies can differ, many, many years back… I worked in an establishment, where I didn’t realise there was CCTV at the location I was working … it was after say 18 months I clicked on the landings had cctv, also, they regularly checked to ensure you were doing the nightly patrol.
Companies are free to review CCTV footage anytime they see fit they own the site … and if signs are posted then it doesn’t matter.
Oh I wouldn’t worry too much. Our CCTV didn’t catch a thing when someone drove off with a 40 foot mobile home from the yard next door, so I’m not sure if anybody would see you checking that your fuel cap is on properly.
Mooping:
And there’s an ‘implied legal obligation of trust and confidence’ between employer and employee. That seems to have totally gone out of the window with this bloke.
I know, it’s a sad indictment of our times. You trust someone that clocks on at 08.00 and says they spend 15 minutes checking the vehicle only to find they’ve spent 15 mins having a brew, which you don’t realise till they get up the road and get a pull and a load of hassle for something that should have been picked up on the walk round check.
So old thing,if your doing things as they should done then you have nothing to bother about.
Must be a reason for CCTV being needed,maybe for evidence of fraud theft etc by certain individuals, its for sure he/she does not want to be trawling through hours of CCTV footage for fun.
albion:
Mooping:
And there’s an ‘implied legal obligation of trust and confidence’ between employer and employee. That seems to have totally gone out of the window with this bloke.I know, it’s a sad indictment of our times. You trust someone that clocks on at 08.00 and says they spend 15 minutes checking the vehicle only to find they’ve spent 15 mins having a brew, which you don’t realise till they get up the road and get a pull and a load of hassle for something that should have been picked up on the walk round check.
Errr but officer, it was fine when i left the yard. And yes, i could say that with a straight face but my nose did get a bit longer
Seems perfectly legal for him to use cctv to ensure and record that health and safety procedures are being followed or to prevent pilfering, malingering, deliberate damage or other misconduct;