Again as I said…‘‘Backed up by statistics and examples’’
Look mate we’re never going to agree, they have obviously succeeded in convincing you, and you are repeating their stuff…as I said.
I can only speak for myself and mist people I know, and to reiterate…
When mobiles first came out and it was deemed acceptable, the VAST majority of us managed without any drama.
Same with CB radio, but they haven’t got around to imposing fines on that yet (missed a trick there eh, very out of character for the UK, but when they start telling us they are dangerous you will get people repeating it no doubt.
ROG:
Those that think they can talk on a phone be it hand held or hands free without it taking concentration from the task of driving are deluding themselves
This has been proven so many times
In YOUR opinion Rog.
Any goddam thing can be ‘‘proven’’ by massaged stats and selective examples that fit an agenda.
I choose to make up MY OWN mind up on things, instead of just going with the brainwashed and convinced majority.
Always worked for me in life so far btw.
ROG:
Those that think they can talk on a phone be it hand held or hands free without it taking concentration from the task of driving are deluding themselves
This has been proven so many times
In YOUR opinion Rog.
Any goddam thing can be ‘‘proven’’ by massaged stats and selective examples that fit an agenda.
I choose to make up MY OWN mind up on things, instead of just going with the brainwashed and convinced majority.
Always worked for me in life so far btw.
In many peoples opinion. I have seen it first hand many times with some drivers denying the fact they were distracted.
Granted some may be able to adapt better than others but anyone can get caught out at the wrong moment.
robroy:
Again as I said…‘‘Backed up by statistics and examples’’
Look mate we’re never going to agree, they have obviously succeeded in convincing you, and you are repeating their stuff…as I said.
No i am proving the point all you can do is say i have been doing this for 20 years and i haven’t hit anything that doesn’t make the evidence wrong how the ■■■■ can you argue with this, if you can prove this wrong i will tell you you are right and i am wrong!
Normal driving engages the posterior part of the brain that controlled visual and spacial awareness -
When a conversation takes place activity shifts to the pre frontal cortex which controlls decision making this causes tunnel vision as the parts of the brain that look after peripheral vision are diverted to the conversation.
Maybe so, but it does not say you can not drive while talking.
So should I wear ear plugs when carrying a passenger in case I ‘‘cause carnage’’.
Should I take my radio out as I am unable to concentrate on driving whilst listening to it…where does it stop before it becomes paranoia…maybe I should just stay in bed all day, just in case.
You can never concentrate 100% whilst driving, it is humanly impossible, how many times have you found yourself driving on auto pilot for ■■■■ miles, passing 2 msa.s at 30 mile intervals, not remembering doing so.
I aint saying the things you say are not technically true, what I am saying is that you (or most people) are adequately competent to drive at the same time,…despite what they try (and evidently succed) to convince us to fit their agenda.
Maybe so, but it does not say you can not drive while talking.
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It doesn’t say you cannot drive while talking they are saying it’s a major distraction and as we have now gone round in a huge circle I will bow out.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Which is what I’ve been saying since this discussion started.
Maybe so, but it does not say you can not drive while talking.
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It doesn’t say you cannot drive while talking they are saying it’s a major distraction and as we have now gone round in a huge circle I will bow out.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Which is what I’ve been saying since this discussion started.
Its not just the government saying it. There are people who study driver habits and their consequences and its been proved time and time again it can distract even the most competent of drivers. Looking at a mini skirt does not affect your concentration, it affects your observation.
Maybe so, but it does not say you can not drive while talking.
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It doesn’t say you cannot drive while talking they are saying it’s a major distraction and as we have now gone round in a huge circle I will bow out.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Which is what I’ve been saying since this discussion started.
Its not just the government saying it. There are people who study driver habits and their consequences and its been proved time and time again it can distract even the most competent of drivers. Looking at a mini skirt does not affect your concentration, it affects your observation. [emoji38]
Too much of it can lead to blindness…
At least that’s what the priest told me.
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OK he wasn’t a doctor, but Father “speccy” Smith was right.
Maybe so, but it does not say you can not drive while talking.
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It doesn’t say you cannot drive while talking they are saying it’s a major distraction and as we have now gone round in a huge circle I will bow out.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Which is what I’ve been saying since this discussion started.
Its not just the government saying it. There are people who study driver habits and their consequences and its been proved time and time again it can distract even the most competent of drivers. Looking at a mini skirt does not affect your concentration, it affects your observation.
You all miss my point completely…ANY thing can be ‘‘proven’’ to achieve an agenda,.what I am saying is most competent drivers can do more than one thing whilst driving.
Now whether or not Govt. authorities and ‘experts’ choose to ‘prove’ the contrary is up to them, but you can sure as hell bet they will try,.and plug away until they achieve it, but it does not alter what I am saying, that in REAL world there ain’t such a big problem with it.
If (or when ) they target listening to radios, they’ll roll out the ‘exoerts’ to ‘prove’ their point, and you’ll get drivers who swallow it.m coming up with charts drawn up by professors, that in real terms they dont really fully understand, (unless they are part time brain surgery specialists) …
Just look at the Covid threads on here, guys who do night trunks discussing specialist medical technicalities and using the jargon of medical consultants ffs,.and expecting to be taken seriously.
And this is all part of the process, put something out there (usually to make money under the guise of safety) and people fully swallow and regurgitate it, doing the authoritie’s who started it, job for them.
The rest of us make up our own minds.
Also you have no knowledge of my level of concentration to the right woman wearing the right skirt.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Well I was going to leave it but I cannot, if you had watched the videos in stead of being a smart arse saying you didn’t need to because you know it all you would have seen the part where they discussed the difference between listening to the radio and having a discussion on a phone listening to the radio doesn’t involve the parts of the brain I posted earlier so there is no tunnel vision distraction discussed in that post, if you have a person in the car it has been proved they stop talking if they see a problem which was also discussed in the vido, the bottom line is if you talk on a mobile you are not giving driving 100% concentration proved by my brain scan post, you may think this doesn’t apply to you and that you are such a good driver it couldn’t possibly effect your driving, you are wrong.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Well I was going to leave it but I cannot, if you had watched the videos in stead of being a smart arse saying you didn’t need to because you know it all you would have seen the part where they discussed the difference between listening to the radio and having a discussion on a phone listening to the radio doesn’t involve the parts of the brain I posted earlier so there is no
tunnel vision distraction discussed in that post, if you have a person in the car it has been proved they stop talking if they see a problem so again this is irrelevant the bottom line is if you talk on a mobile you are not giving driving 100% concentration proved by my brain scan post, you may think this doesn’t apply to you and that you are such a good driver it couldn’t possibly effect your driving, you are wrong.
If you’re going to attempt to be offensive because I refuse to agree with you …at least get your facts right.
Smart arse maybe but I did not bother to watch them, because as I explained (unsucessfully it seems) I can guess the content and I have more than likely saw the type of thing before anyway…but just for you I’ll take a look.
In the meantime you keep listening and believing everything you are told, and I’ll keep believing what I see, and making my OWN mind up about things.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Well I was going to leave it but I cannot, if you had watched the videos in stead of being a smart arse saying you didn’t need to because you know it all you would have seen the part where they discussed the difference between listening to the radio and having a discussion on a phone listening to the radio doesn’t involve the parts of the brain I posted earlier so there is no
tunnel vision distraction discussed in that post, if you have a person in the car it has been proved they stop talking if they see a problem so again this is irrelevant the bottom line is if you talk on a mobile you are not giving driving 100% concentration proved by my brain scan post, you may think this doesn’t apply to you and that you are such a good driver it couldn’t possibly effect your driving, you are wrong.
If you’re going to attempt to be offensive because I refuse to agree with you …at least get your facts right.
Smart arse maybe but I did not bother to watch them, because as I explained (unsucessfully it seems) I can guess the content and I have more than likely saw the type of thing before anyway…but just for you I’ll take a look.
In the meantime you keep listening and believing everything you are told, and I’ll keep believing what I see, and making my OWN mind up about things.
Back in the day people used to drink and drive i bet a few of them didn’t like being told that a couple of pints effected their judgement even though it was easy to prove it did, you appear to be doing the same with mobile phone use, If you honestly believe using a mobile doesn’t have any effect on driving I have a feeling you will be in a minotiy of one.
Jeez man read my posts.
It does take away part of concentration by it’s very nature, I accept that, but as well as everything else you do whilst driving dies, from drinking coffee and scratching your arse…you neither need nor can adapt humanely 100% concentration… but I’ve already said all this ( 5 bloody times.)
What I’m saying is it does not in MOST cases and IF you are a competent driver take away the required amount of concentration lapse to make a ■■■■ up, if you are inept and can not do 2 things at once or neurotic white knuckle driver…it DOES !!!
The govt has deemed it illegal, I accept that but do not agree with their reasons.
WTF has drink driving got to do with it, and how is it the same.
Btw IF I am in a minority of one it does not bother me in the slightest.,… never has.
Yep it still says what I KNEW it said,.and nothing has changed my mind.
There are all sorts of distractions whilst driving from listening to the football,.local talent walking past in a mini skirt ,…to talking on the phone.
All of which that can be taken in the stride of a competent driver. or anybody with a brain able to do more than one thing at once, despite videos statistics and threats from the Govt telling us the contrary.
Well I was going to leave it but I cannot, if you had watched the videos in stead of being a smart arse saying you didn’t need to because you know it all you would have seen the part where they discussed the difference between listening to the radio and having a discussion on a phone listening to the radio doesn’t involve the parts of the brain I posted earlier so there is no
tunnel vision distraction discussed in that post, if you have a person in the car it has been proved they stop talking if they see a problem so again this is irrelevant the bottom line is if you talk on a mobile you are not giving driving 100% concentration proved by my brain scan post, you may think this doesn’t apply to you and that you are such a good driver it couldn’t possibly effect your driving, you are wrong.
If you’re going to attempt to be offensive because I refuse to agree with you …at least get your facts right.
Smart arse maybe but I did not bother to watch them, because as I explained (unsucessfully it seems) I can guess the content and I have more than likely saw the type of thing before anyway…but just for you I’ll take a look.
In the meantime you keep listening and believing everything you are told, and I’ll keep believing what I see, and making my OWN mind up about things.
Fair enough, I don’t think anything is going to change your mind.
But I’ve made my mind up it does affect concentration levels when driving as I’ve seen it first hand. Obviously some more than others.
It does take away part of concentration by it’s very nature, I accept that, but as well as everything else you do whilst driving dies, from drinking coffee and scratching your arse…
You keep telling me to read your post properly how’s about reading mine properly.
Drinking coffee, scratching your arse, looking at the lass on the pavement and thinking what you are having for tea doesn’t use the part of your brain detailed in my earlier post in this thread (which i have reposted below) as it says -
When a conversation takes place activity shifts to the pre frontal cortex which controls decision making this causes tunnel vision as the parts of the brain that looks after peripheral vision are diverted to the conversation, losing your peripheral vision is like driving with blinkers on and it happens without the person using the phone even realising it is happening how can that be safe.
Normal driving engages the posterior part of the brain that controlled visual and spatial awareness -
When a conversation takes place activity shifts to the pre frontal cortex which controlls decision making this causes tunnel vision as the parts of the brain that look after peripheral vision are diverted to the conversation.
Mate seriously, keeping repearedly showing me your ■■■■ diagrams and displaying your evident expertise in this field ain’t going to make me change my view.
As you said about 10 posts and about 4 hours ago (when you said you were done btw) ‘‘We’re going around in a circle’’
As I see it and in my experience from about 1984 to around 2005 (an estimate btw).when it was legal to hold a phone, thousands of people who were competent managed without any dramas…posterior ■■■■ vortexes or not.
Let’s just agree to differ before you revert back to the mild abuse when you see you ain’t gonna change MY view .
Cheers.
robroy:
Let’s just agree to differ before you revert back to the mild abuse when you see you ain’t gonna change MY view .
Cheers.
I agree.
It was obvious from the get go you were never going to change your mind but i had to try.
Our trucks have DAB radios with hands free Bluetooth that connects to our works phones so i have used a phone while driving but the boss only rings when its an emergency and keeps it as short as he can.
Yep,.as I said I never hold a phone these days, my own phone is through the cab bluetooth, the boss rings me on it.
I only use the works phone for asking directions to remote farms when I’m parked up…thing is I l’ve heard they even nick you these days if you are parked talking with engine running ffs.
