At my last job we had a spate of the Suzy holders on the a frame being knocked off ,this was blamed by company on drivers missing the pin ,it was only after drivers involved had all said including me we hadn’t missed the pin ,the damage was only noted when you got back too depot and went to drop tri .
After investigation it was realised this was only happening at one specific depot ,fleet engineer claimed it wasn’t possible for it too happen in any other way than missing the pin .
One Saturday our boss went down with our driver and met fleet engineer ,all was fine until driver left the yard ,the exit too gate was cambered sharply down ,and the road away from yard was sharply cambered up away from the yard ,as he turned too leave the fleet engineer shouted for him too stop as tri was about too hit the holders on the a- frame ,fleet engineer said he’d of never believed it possible unless he’d seen it for himself , it was just a case of new trucks closer coupled ,and camber of road/ yard causing the problem ,boss even said he had serious doubts about our claim we’d not run over pin ,
Bald bloke - where did you get those pictures from. The damage shown in the picture is not the same as on our truck
The plot thickens more with false photos…
What planet are you Swampey, do you not have a life or are you a 14 stone 12 year old that is trying to appear clever. If you had the tiniest imagination you may figure that the company says missed pin event. The photos are of an actual missed pin event. The damage doesn’t match so do the maths you imbecile. Sorry, big words like that may be a little difficult for you - try moron
rj_gibson2003:
Bald bloke - where did you get those pictures from. The damage shown in the picture is not the same as on our truck
There is the remotest possibility that there may be more than 1 unit with damage from missing the pin whilst coupling up . 
Also , it is more than likely the unit pictured was not involved in a rear end shafting at 40MPH 
Bit generous with the personal attacks for a new member with very few posts 
Thought he was deleting his account?
What happened in the meeting today?
Probably confessed to missing the pin.
Sorry Newbie asking
What is a missing pin event… is it when someone hasn’t lined up tractor unit at the same height as the trailer,reversed for the couple and completely missed the 5th wheel receptacle causing the kingpin slide over the 5th wheel plate and the tractor unit to smash into the trailer, because that sounds a bit dumb to me how anyone could be that lazy for not getting out to check heights
Or is it to do with the dog clip/ safety clip that you put in place once coupled up… Please advise
Missing pin event is when your poppy falls off.
ChunkyChunk:
…that sounds a bit dumb to me how anyone could be that lazy…
Welcome to the world of road haulage.
rj_gibson2003:
What planet are you Swampey, do you not have a life or are you a 14 stone 12 year old that is trying to appear clever. If you had the tiniest imagination you may figure that the company says missed pin event. The photos are of an actual missed pin event. The damage doesn’t match so do the maths you imbecile. Sorry, big words like that may be a little difficult for you - try moron
Ooooft,3 days joined and insulting members already. Is that a new trucknet record?
ChunkyChunk:
Sorry Newbie askingWhat is a missing pin event… is it when someone hasn’t lined up tractor unit at the same height as the trailer,reversed for the couple and completely missed the 5th wheel receptacle causing the kingpin slide over the 5th wheel plate and the tractor unit to smash into the trailer, because that sounds a bit dumb to me how anyone could be that lazy for not getting out to check heights
Thing is ChunkyChunk, once you’ve been driving a few years, you get to know if the height off a trailer looks ok for your unit or not, as you approach it, more difficult for agency as they drive more varied selection off vehicles. This being so, and with age chomping through your life, you tend to use your knowledge to asses from the driving seat the situation, and then preceed to back under the rubbing plate, and then lift trailer to do the final couple and tug, this saves the old legs a bit, but as I owned up to earlier in this thread, be on the ball for when the couple don’t go right, and allways stop and check if unsure 
ChunkyChunk:
Sorry Newbie askingWhat is a missing pin event… is it when someone hasn’t lined up tractor unit at the same height as the trailer,reversed for the couple and completely missed the 5th wheel receptacle causing the kingpin slide over the 5th wheel plate and the tractor unit to smash into the trailer, because that sounds a bit dumb to me how anyone could be that lazy for not getting out to check heights
Or is it to do with the dog clip/ safety clip that you put in place once coupled up… Please advise
Checking heights will help but there are other variables like ground, pressing wrong button on air, distraction, complacency, bad alignment so pin slides off the 5th wheel, different trailers, I.e the pin in a skeletal trailer (like used for containers) is much farther forward than say a curtainsider. Always worth checking where the pin is on an unfamiliar trailer.
So many variables but the road to become an elite driver is to be aware of as many things that can go wrong as possible at any given moment expect them all to happen at the same time.
Lazyness can play its part but your biggest enemy for now young padawan is rushing, take your time and check twice then have a cup of tea and check again.
Swampey2418:
Is their photograph evidence that when the tractor unit and trailer where separated that no pin was in place ?
It seems that the insurance assessor is making an assumptions to reduce the claim saying the damage to the rear of the cab and seat etc shouldn’t have happened if the pin was in place
Oh dear.
The-Snowman:
0rj_gibson2003:
What planet are you Swampey, do you not have a life or are you a 14 stone 12 year old that is trying to appear clever. If you had the tiniest imagination you may figure that the company says missed pin event. The photos are of an actual missed pin event. The damage doesn’t match so do the maths you imbecile. Sorry, big words like that may be a little difficult for you - try moronOoooft,3 days joined and insulting members already. Is that a new trucknet record?
nooo m8,ive seen a few that lasted only 1 post,spouted a load of bollox then got aggresive ,contraflow and dipperdave got involved and they crumbled like biscuits 
rj_gibson2003:
What planet are you Swampey, do you not have a life or are you a 14 stone 12 year old that is trying to appear clever. If you had the tiniest imagination you may figure that the company says missed pin event. The photos are of an actual missed pin event. The damage doesn’t match so do the maths you imbecile. Sorry, big words like that may be a little difficult for you - try moron
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The Missing pin event …
… turns into a missing word event !!! 
Its water off a ducks back where Im concerned coz Im man enough to take it…
And the planet that I am is the Sun as I shine so bright…lmao
I haven’t figured out yet what is is difficult to understand.
1, Truck is involved in an accident.
2, When truck is inspected, damage is found on the back of cab,
3, Company says damage was caused by missed pin event
4, Drivers say they have not missed the pin.
5, I ask if anybody has heard of this before and if so is there any info on the Internet that I can refer to and show the company.
No disrespect guys but instead of any kind of help all I got was insults and being called a liar. The photo from bald guy shows the damage that was caused by a missed pin event and I am saying that it does not match the damage to our truck.
I was not driving the truck when it was hit so can on relay what the driver tells me. Basically the company are saying that the accident did cause damage to the trailer and did cause the drivers seat to break but could not have caused the damage to the back of the cab. I disagree, hence wanting any points of reference.
The 4 drivers are accused of either
A, Missing the pin
B, Not doing the daily check
C, Covering for the driver that did the damage
I deny all three and take offence at being accused.
Meeting has been postponed.
I just had a thought. Let’s change tact. Forget all of the above and try this
The truck was hit from behind by another truck. Upon inspection after the accident, damage was found on the back of the cab. Company says missed pin - driver says accident, does anybody know of any info on the Internet that may help to prove the drivers innocence.
In all honesty I wasn’t driving so I really have no idea either way. There must be something somewhere.