We had an incident 2 years ago when a driver ran into the back of a Royal Mail artic at traffic lights, the back of the cab was damaged and the fridge trailer was damaged to the extent that it required extensive repairs along with the unit.
The force of a rear impact would have the same effect, for many years truck cabs have been mounted to the chassis via a spring and damper system sufficient lateral fore will tear the cab from its mountings resulting in similar damage to the schoolboy error of missing the pin.
We had 8 brand new actors 6 wheelers which were driven by employed drivers only (no agency) within a fortnight 4 had sustained damage from missing the pin, 2 by the same driver I can understand the frustration of an operator when the fleet is subject to negligent damage missing the pin is totally avoidable and inexcusible in this case the person who came to this conclusion is almost certainly wrong.
rj_gibson2003:
Can anybody help. I share a Mercedes Actross with 3 other drivers. It was slammed up the rear a couple of weeks ago and now the company is saying the damage is a missed pin event. The unit was pulling a close coupled fridge and was stationary when hit by a loaded 8 wheeler doing around 40mph. Trailer chassis is twisted and there is damage to the back of the cab. The drivers seat is busted and all the bolts fixing fifth wheel to chassis were bent. Company says no way has the trailer hit the cab in the accident so it is a missed pin event. We are having a disciplinary interview on Monday.
Am I reading this thread right? Hit up the arse, damage to the unit (inc. drivers seat) and the unit was not VORed for repairs and that you and 3 other drivers have continued to drive it without noticing any other damage?
Vehicle was VOR’d straight away. 4 people drove the truck before the accident. Company say damage to the back of the cab did not occur in the accident so must be a missed pin. Drivers say not hence the problem
Please tell me how to delete this thread. I was hoping that I could get some info that I could refer to but wish I hadn’t started now. I have obviously not explained it correct so if somebody can tell me how to delete the thread I will be grateful
rj_gibson2003:
Please tell me how to delete this thread. I was hoping that I could get some info that I could refer to but wish I hadn’t started now. I have obviously not explained it correct so if somebody can tell me how to delete the thread I will be grateful
Maybe explain it a bit better with everything in
If you miss the pin in a fridge unit there is not always damage I should know ok sometimes there is but mainly to the fridge unit itself
One off our drivers was having a break in a lay by, when an artic ran into the back off of our companies truck, unfortunetly the driver off the other artic died, hitting a stationery container being big and solid at approx. 45mph don’t give someone a lot off chance.
Anyway, our companies truck was written off, as the damage caused to the unit including the cab was so severe, even though the impact was at the back of the 40’ container being carried. The damage to the Cab included damage to the rear Cab panels, were the cab had lunged backwards so violently against its cab mounts that it had creased the rear panel, and did look as if something had physicaly hit it( the rear panel) our firms truck was a 58 plate Volvo, and this was a couple off rears ago, so not an ancient truck by any means, yet still written off.
So it is possible to have damage to the rear off the cab, without it actually being struck its self, but the impact would have to be violent, and if so, I’m surprised your unit has been able to work since, without repair.
rj_gibson2003:
Vehicle was VOR’d straight away. 4 people drove the truck before the accident. Company say damage to the back of the cab did not occur in the accident so must be a missed pin. Drivers say not hence the problem
Oops, read a few off the early posts, then thought I’d add My post, but have notciced this^ which answers this that I wrote and have quoted below
eddie snax:
So it is possible to have damage to the rear off the cab, without it actually being struck its self, but the impact would have to be violent, and if so, I’m surprised your unit has been able to work since, without repair.
bazza123:
And anyway surely the tipper insurance company will have to pay up as an open and shut case as is always the case in these rear enders?
Yes, but only damage that was caused by the accident. And that is what seems to be in dispute, the tipper’s insurer is saying they think some of the damage was already there as they want to reduce the cost of the claim.
rj_gibson2003:
We are having a disciplinary interview on Monday.
Your posting too early! Go to the interview but I doubt it’s that, more like a fact finding,then they may go for disciplinary. See what they say then ask for opinions
You weren’t driving, it got shafted by a 40mph tipper, serious damage and the companies worried about a few extra dints in cab??
How an earth is a non provable missed pin event even relevant in all this!
Have had a good chuckle.
And no not at your oncoming hearing which would be easy to tear apart and tell company to stop being stooooopid
Since this incident, I have advised both day drivers that work with me,to do a walk round with me at handover.
I also photograph this vehicle at handover.
This vehicle had only been in service for fourteen days, before this damage occurred, there is no question in my mind that this is a missed pin incident.
Damage is estimated to be in the region of £15.000.
In summary if using a shared vehicle check with your oppo.
rj_gibson2003:
Can anybody help. I share a Mercedes Actross with 3 other drivers. It was slammed up the rear a couple of weeks ago and now the company is saying the damage is a missed pin event. The unit was pulling a close coupled fridge and was stationary when hit by a loaded 8 wheeler doing around 40mph. Trailer chassis is twisted and there is damage to the back of the cab. The drivers seat is busted and all the boltsfixing fifth wheel to chassis were bent. Company says no way has the trailer hit the cab in the accident so it is a missed pin event. We are having a disciplinary interview on Monday.
So… How would that occur if it was a missed pin event ■■?
I read this thread posted by a new member recently registered and that song just pops into my head from my good old days of being a kid of the 80s…
“Im I story teller and my story must be told” Yes thats right Jackanory…lmao
But giving the benefit of the doubt for the amusement of a reply if a tipper truck hit the rear end of a trailer at 40mph, screw calling and ambulance more like the men with an adequate supply of wooden over coats.
Surely such an incident of this nature would have involved both the police accident investigation and VOSA/DSA and I would quick to add that none of the vehicles would have been roadworthy and would have been transported to the repairers or haulage yard
Is their photograph evidence that when the tractor unit and trailer where separated that no pin was in place ?
It seems that the insurance assessor is making an assumptions to reduce the claim saying the damage to the rear of the cab and seat etc shouldn’t have happened if the pin was in place… but then considering the forces of being hit by a 32 ton doing 40… theres a lot of energy moving…
It’s interesting and its bloody comical to find 4 drivers allocated to one truck all blaming each other and no one seems to know who the ■■■■ was solely in charge of one vehicle… when this happened or who was the last one to in charge of it…
Think VOSA would find this poor operating and would bring into question the operators licence…certainly sound bait Mickey mouse…
Maybe who ever owns the vehicle or company needs to review even the basic admin task of who got what and when and at the same time getting each driver to sign off a walk around inspection sheet… be interesting to find out how you muppets deal with a speeding ticket…lol
If the op wasn’t driving it at the time, then proof by the employer that the op caused the damage prior to the accident, without any witnesses, will be almost impossible to prove, and if the op definitely wasn’t driving it at the time of the accident, then the op has nothing to worry about.
Still need to take a colleague/union rep in though.
Was the outfit recovered from the collision scene in one ? ie , tractor & trailer still connected on tow ? suspended front end lift ■■
Where is the damage to back of cab ? near top of cab or full length fridge shape ?
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This post is useless without pictures for a true TNCSI investigation
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As above , take a union rep/witness/colleague in with you at the formal interview. They cant speak for you - but they can act as witness to the proceedings
going out on a limb here 