Is there a need for the Royal Navy ,Army and RAF all to be separate, they could all made in to one unit, called the Armed Services ?
Basic training will involve all skills from the former units, so you would be a trained airman,seaman and soldier.
For emergency services, the French way of doing it ,is one vehicle that is a small fire engine and an ambulance, the crew are paramedics and firemen, one call does it all, in the UK the appliances are larger and not cost effective, for a minor emergency , the need for a crew of five or more is not feasible.
I see on a daily basis five to six fire engines attending two to three cars that have no damage, but touched bumpers on the motorway, nobody needed to be cut out.The occupants stood behind the barrier with no injuries.
The knock on effect of rubber neckers in both directions is hours of delays.And stationary traffic.
toby1234abc:
For emergency services, the French way of doing it ,is one vehicle that is a small fire engine and an ambulance, the crew are paramedics and firemen, one call does it all
Just a couple of points Toby, the french firemen, called Sapeur-Pompiers, are not Paramedics, just very well trained and equiped first aiders, and the ambulance and fire engine are in general two seperate vehicles.
There’s no way that you could combine the required aspects of fire fighting vehicles with the requirements of an ambulance or for that matter even the different specialist types of fire fighting vehicles which can range from hose carriers,to tankers,to tower escapes etc etc.In just the same way that trying to combine all the different aspects required of the military or the emergency services would just produce a training nightmare resulting in jack of all trades master of none.
Actually that pretty much what happens in urban USA…
The fire department fights fires/does rescues/hazmat/etc/and is usually the first medical response -usually a dedicated paramedic/rescue unit and a fire truck but not unusual to see a tower ladder at a medical call. Here Los Angeles FD also has it’s own ambulances too, albeit many patients are transported by independent ambulance companies. However the density of fire stations is huge compared with the UK - I have at least 6 within a 5 mile radius of me - so less likely to affect cover for other calls in the area.
So if anything you get a bigger turn out for some calls - especially medical calls.
W.
PilotWolf:
Actually that pretty much what happens in urban USA…
but not unusual to see a tower ladder at a medical call.
W.
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Great idea the patient needs to be hooked up to all the life saving heart monitoring and respiration equipment expected to be fitted in an ambulance.Just as a call comes in of a major fire in a multi story block of flats.
Carryfast:
PilotWolf:
Actually that pretty much what happens in urban USA…
but not unusual to see a tower ladder at a medical call.
W.
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Great idea the patient needs to be hooked up to all the life saving heart monitoring and respiration equipment expected to be fitted in an ambulance.Just as a call comes in of a major fire in a multi story block of flats.
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So the paramedics and truck company remain with the patient and the tower ladder attends the apartment (no flats here, fire along with the neighboring truck company.
Or maybe you’re better qualified or more experienced in emergency dispatch and asset management than a major US fire department?
PW
PilotWolf:
Carryfast:
PilotWolf:
Actually that pretty much what happens in urban USA…
but not unusual to see a tower ladder at a medical call.
W.
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Great idea the patient needs to be hooked up to all the life saving heart monitoring and respiration equipment expected to be fitted in an ambulance.Just as a call comes in of a major fire in a multi story block of flats.
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So the paramedics and truck company remain with the patient and the tower ladder attends the apartment (no flats here, fire along with the neighboring truck company.
Or maybe you’re better qualified or more experienced in emergency dispatch and asset management than a major US fire department?
PW
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As I said the ‘the patient’ needs all the specialist medical equipment expected to be installed in an ambulance and then to be transported to hospital as an emergency.
The fact is a fire truck and its crew isn’t designed to do the job of an ambulance and its crew.While your description of the scenario which I’ve described suggests that to add insult to the injury of sending a fire truck ( and crew ) to deal with a medical emergency,when it’s obviously a job for …an ambulance.You’re then going to not only have to leave the patient with no means of transport to hospital let alone the required specialist medical care while on route to get there.While also leaving the fire truck short of crew when it arrives on the scene for its job …of dealing with a fire emergency.Because some of its crew have been left behind still trying to deal with the job of a specialist ambulance and its crew and hospital A+E/ER/ICU etc in someone’s living room or kitchen etc instead.Probably while waiting/hoping desperately for … the ambulance to arrive.Which should have been sent in the first place.
The fact is it’s just a spend a pound to save a penny money saving scheme to cut/limit resources in the ambulance services.On that note I’d doubt if the average rich American banker would be expected to have a fire truck turn up at his household to deal with a medical emergency.
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You really are either totally stupid or just a c0$@ aren’t you.
That’s the way it’s done here and in many many other parts of the USA and has been for many years and I’ve no doubt despite your recommendation and opinion will continue to be.
And despite what they and their unions would like you to believe comparing US firefighters, their training and equipment to those in the UK is like comparing a Smart car to a Rolls Royce.
PilotWolf:
You really are either totally stupid or just a c0$@ aren’t you.That’s the way it’s done here and in many many other parts of the USA and has been for many years and I’ve no doubt despite your recommendation and opinion will continue to be.
And despite what they and their unions would like you to believe comparing US firefighters, their training and equipment to those in the UK is like comparing a Smart car to a Rolls Royce.
There’s no argument that American gear is usually better than what the Brits have to put up with.But that still doesn’t alter the fact that turning up with a fire truck and fire fighting crew to deal with someone who needs a fully kitted out ambulance isn’t exactly the brightest idea.Wether it’s a Pierce tower or a Volvo FL6.
Although having said that the Americans ( rightly ) obviously decided that buying British was better than an Oshkosh.In the day when we actually had some industry before letting the Americans tell us to give it to all over to the Germans.
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While our local ambulance service bought these.
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As opposed to the gutless diesel Mercs they’ve got now.Because of the same cost cutting logic that says let’s make use of the fire service as an ambulance service.All to save a few bob on also paying for a decent ambulance service.
Carryfast:
There’s no way that you could combine the required aspects of fire fighting vehicles with the requirements of an ambulance or for that matter even the different specialist types of fire fighting vehicles which can range from hose carriers,to tankers,to tower escapes etc etc.In just the same way that trying to combine all the different aspects required of the military or the emergency services would just produce a training nightmare resulting in jack of all trades master of none.
“ahem” 
Mersey Regional Ambulance used to run some American ambulances before they became NWAS, 'll try and find some photos.