The industry consolidation continues
Wincanton Containers was previously Hanbury Davies, founded by Glyn Davies. So this kind of brings Russell Davies back together again
This was bound to happen. What will happen to the yards. Wincanton Containers yard in South Wales is a shared facility in Wilkinson Magor.
Maritime truly are a monolith, but curiously don’t seem to suffer from the bad press that for example Stobbies receive. Why is that? I must add that I don’t have a horse in this particular race as I have no first hand experience of either company.
the maoster:
Maritime truly are a monolith, but curiously don’t seem to suffer from the bad press that for example Stobbies receive. Why is that? I must add that I don’t have a horse in this particular race as I have no first hand experience of either company.
dozy doesn’t work for them 
Stobarts grew their business on their public image, including the tv series, so that opens them to criticism when they win contracts etc. Maritime are not the best wages in the industry either.
I remember reading an article that the boss of Maritime said he took over certain companies because of the land/location and not just the trucks they had.
I believe Maritime took Wincanton’s last Tesco RDC contract at Snodland about three years ago.
INDIA, outside money… end of… 
Sixties boy:
Stobarts grew their business on their public image, including the tv series, so that opens them to criticism when they win contracts etc. Maritime are not the best wages in the industry either.I remember reading an article that the boss of Maritime said he took over certain companies because of the land/location and not just the trucks they had.
I believe Maritime took Wincanton’s last Tesco RDC contract at Snodland about three years ago.
Maritime drivers are on £595 a week for 55 hours, £13 an hour after 11 hours a day and £16 an hour for a rest day.
Who are paying more than that on containers?
Up north, unless you are on specialist work or delivering cages to 20 petrol stations there aren’t many paying much more than that and the wages that all the usual big firms including both Wincanton and Maritime pay is usually better than the smaller local firms.
I was offered an assessment with Asda at Normanton last week and it was only when they sent that email I realised that they were offering about £11.50 per hour. So I funked it off, when did supermarket pay get so bad?
m.a.n rules:
INDIA, outside money… end of…
If you read the article they only paid 1.5 million. It also says Wincanton were making a loss on containers.
I’m not sure outside investment is required when Wincanton have basically gave it away
I have been told in the past- and I have no way of knowing if this is true- that Maritime’s business model is to buy so many new trucks in one go that they can negotiate a massive discount from whichever manufacturer they go with. They then run these trucks for 6-9 months and sell them for as much or even more than they paid for them meaning that effectively their trucks are free. Certainly this would explain the double full-page ads offering nearly new trucks in every edition of Commercial Motor.
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Harry Monk:
I have been told in the past- and I have no way of knowing if this is true- that Maritime’s business model is to buy so many new trucks in one go that they can negotiate a massive discount from whichever manufacturer they go with. They then run these trucks for 6-9 months and sell them for as much or even more than they paid for them meaning that effectively their trucks are free. Certainly this would explain the double full-page ads offering nearly new trucks in every edition of Commercial Motor.
They do buy large batches, but keep them for typically 3-4 years. They also rotate them round the depots to spread the mileage evenly across their fleet, as a tramper for example will obviously clock up less mileage than a motor double shifting on 4 on 4 off.
ezydriver:
Harry Monk:
I have been told in the past- and I have no way of knowing if this is true- that Maritime’s business model is to buy so many new trucks in one go that they can negotiate a massive discount from whichever manufacturer they go with. They then run these trucks for 6-9 months and sell them for as much or even more than they paid for them meaning that effectively their trucks are free. Certainly this would explain the double full-page ads offering nearly new trucks in every edition of Commercial Motor.They do buy large batches, but keep them for typically 3-4 years. They also rotate them round the depots to spread the mileage evenly across their fleet, as a tramper for example will obviously clock up less mileage than a motor double shifting on 4 on 4 off.
Mr Monk is actually spot on the money… i havw nothing against maritime. But they like to sack drivers for relatively minor stuff, and the lorries go on sale from nearly day 1 that they buy them. Which is why you rarely see old maritime units.
Many a tramper has had his pants pulled down because of this. They turn up on monday to find thier unit sold and their kit being tossed into plastic bags. Often with smaller items like a blueooth headset being missed.
They are notorious for it. But its part of the problem with them sackong drivers for very minor damage. They dont want to pay to get it fixed before the new owner collects.
Wincanton were a bunch of rogues. I even did some agency for them on containers… maritime will seem like a dream for their drivers. Never before have i met such clowns and amateurs as wincanton on containers.
Harry Monk:
I have been told in the past- and I have no way of knowing if this is true- that Maritime’s business model is to buy so many new trucks in one go that they can negotiate a massive discount from whichever manufacturer they go with. They then run these trucks for 6-9 months and sell them for as much or even more than they paid for them meaning that effectively their trucks are free. Certainly this would explain the double full-page ads offering nearly new trucks in every edition of Commercial Motor.
We have a Maritime depot just along the road from our yard, so I see quite a few of their motors from day to day. Most of them are 68 plate so 2 years old. I’ve just spent the last 15 minutes parked alongside a 66 plate, so they certainly appear to be keeping them longer than a few months.
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Roymondo:
Harry Monk:
I have been told in the past- and I have no way of knowing if this is true- that Maritime’s business model is to buy so many new trucks in one go that they can negotiate a massive discount from whichever manufacturer they go with. They then run these trucks for 6-9 months and sell them for as much or even more than they paid for them meaning that effectively their trucks are free. Certainly this would explain the double full-page ads offering nearly new trucks in every edition of Commercial Motor.We have a Maritime depot just along the road from our yard, so I see quite a few of their motors from day to day. Most of them are 68 plate so 2 years old. I’ve just spent the last 15 minutes parked alongside a 66 plate, so they certainly appear to be keeping them longer than a few months.
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Having just checked their used truck website they do seem to have changed tack, and most of the trucks for sale are 16-reg or thereabouts. However when I used to subscribe to Commercial Motor many of the used trucks Maritime offered for sale were still on the most recent registration number, i.e. less than six months old.
My company has just bought 4 units direct from Maritime.
All are 15 plate.
John Williams and Glyn Davies are very astute businessmen and have both been in transport and shipping for over half a century. Both men built a business up from the bottom and acquired properties along the line, their paths have crossed several times through acquisition and circumstance, so they have a solid base, its been shown so many times that Stobart was built on smoke and mirrors, brown envelopes and corporate shizzle.
Just because it’s in Maritime colours don’t automatically assume that an older motor actually belongs to them. There are an awful lot of subbies running them, they are easily identified because they’re the only ones that can actually overtake you!
Maritime haven’t really bought Wincanton Container Division, they have been given it.
They are paying £1.5 Million for it…!!!
A business that Wincanton paid £49 Million for in 2008.
John Williams must we well pleased, Wincanton just want out of a sector they don’t know how to operate.
Maritime will turn it around in weeks.
Well done John.
backload:
Maritime haven’t really bought Wincanton Container Division, they have been given it.They are paying £1.5 Million for it…!!!
A business that Wincanton paid £49 Million for in 2008.
John Williams must we well pleased, Wincanton just want out of a sector they don’t know how to operate.
Maritime will turn it around in weeks.
Well done John.
It could equally be that Wincanton have seen the writing on the wall for the container game and have decided that £1.5 million is better than going the same way at Catalyst and ending up with zilch…
backload:
Maritime haven’t really bought Wincanton Container Division, they have been given it.They are paying £1.5 Million for it…!!!
A business that Wincanton paid £49 Million for in 2008.
John Williams must we well pleased, Wincanton just want out of a sector they don’t know how to operate.
Maritime will turn it around in weeks.
Well done John.
It was actually £25million.