Truckerian99:
Correct it on your print out and you’re covered (manual trace on rear with all relevant details completed). Manual entries are a legal requirement. Do not listen to the idiots saying “Don’t do them.” or " I don’t do them." They protect you against things like starting a shift, standing around for 2 hours and then being given a 15 hour day etc.
gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … raph-rules
Appears your wrong, only need a manual entry of driver error or hard unit seems defective.
Truckerian99:
Do not listen to the idiots saying “Don’t do them.” or " I don’t do them." They protect you against things like starting a shift, standing around for 2 hours and then being given a 15 hour day etc.
Well,.speaking as one of those ‘idiots’ you mention. 
I think the ‘‘idiot’’ factor kicks in more if he accepts a 15 hour shift after been made to wait around for two hours,.manual entry or otherwise. 
I prefer to ‘‘protect’’ myself, by saying the word ‘No’ on those type of occasions, and not allowing those who want to, treat me like a ■■■■.
Technically speaking if a manual record (eg in a diary) has been made of the start time and finish times and what activity was done before and after the card was in the tachograph unit, then this will suffice in terms of the law. However, it surely would be much simpler to be able to simply say to the DVSA that the manual entries have been made and the data on the card represents complete information. For the sake of getting back on the road and making the stop as painless as possible, it seems logical to do the entries (IMHO).
Not doing manual entries could be considered an incorrect record. Perhaps the DVSA would question it and try to establish what the actual start and finish times were, painstakingly going through the 28 days with the driver. It would perhaps only be serious if the entries were avoided in order to enable illegal daily or weekly rest. I don’t believe most of those that don’t do them are actually undertaking illegal working hours, they just don’t particularly like or want to do the entries with the usual comments being can’t be arsed, don’t see the point, or don’t know how.
Manual entries are just another feeble intervention in the haulage industry. One way the nanny state could benefit the haulage industry would be if hours were reduced to a reasonable level, like most of the rest of society, then drivers would have no need to account for every minute of their day with manual entries, (screw up or no screw up). How in this day and age are drivers on the whole allowed to regularly work a 15 hour shift followed by 9 hours rest is beyond me, given that driver fatigue is a proven major risk to road safety, combine this with a vehicle weighing up to 44t and the mind boggles.
robbo99.:
Manual entries are just another feeble intervention in the haulage industry. One way the nanny state could benefit the haulage industry would be if hours were reduced to a reasonable level, like most of the rest of society, then drivers would have no need to account for every minute of their day with manual entries, (screw up or no screw up). How in this day and age are drivers on the whole allowed to regularly work a 15 hour shift followed by 9 hours rest is beyond me, given that driver fatigue is a proven major risk to road safety, combine this with a vehicle weighing up to 44t and the mind boggles.
^^^^^^^^This.
In a nutshell.
Couldn’t agree more.
Health and Safety is a complete keeping up appearances fallacy…end of.
When it actually would and could benefit US in REAL terms, it is suitably ignored, ‘they’ would rather concentrate on strapping up pallets of cardboard, and in this context manual ■■■■ entries. 
Noremac:
Not doing manual entries could be considered an incorrect record. Perhaps the DVSA would question it and try to establish what the actual start and finish times were, painstakingly going through the 28 days with the driver. It would perhaps only be serious if the entries were avoided in order to enable illegal daily or weekly rest. I don’t believe most of those that don’t do them are actually undertaking illegal working hours, they just don’t particularly like or want to do the entries with the usual comments being can’t be arsed, don’t see the point, or don’t know how.
Yep that spies to me.
As I said, in my case as a tramper,.and the fact I ain’t losing money, it’s card in on start of week, out at end,…if they want to be so pedantic wanting me to book time from walking the few yards from my car to truck in yard, and back out again on end of week,.and nick me for it, perhaps it’s got to the point to say ‘Finally had enough of this crap, time to jack’'. but I don’t think they’re interested tbh.
The amount of experience I have had with Ministry/VOSA/DVSA in the past, after getting pulled numerous times as both an owner driver (with a dodgy reputation 
in the 80s) and later on driving foreign registered motors, I have found them fair, …unless of course you are blatantly taking the ■■■■ (and/or fail the attitude test) otherwise they have treated minor misdemeanors in my case fairly by just pointing them out with no action.
I’m surprised after reading this thread that 3/4 of the posters manage to feed themselves
dozy:
I’m surprised after reading this thread that 3/4 of the posters manage to feed themselves
Aye…, it makes you wonder how they manage to keep themselves stocked up with Lilt, oranges, and Pot noodles eh doze? 
dozy:
I’m surprised after reading this thread that 3/4 of the posters manage to feed themselves
This coming from…
A man who couldn’t spot an HMRC scam if it walked up to him and battered him around the face with a lump hammer for twenty minutes whilst screaming ‘I am a scam’.
dozy:
I’m surprised after reading this thread that 3/4 of the posters manage to feed themselves
Absolutely. Much better to simply pop your card and then carry on and finish your day off. Oh hang on…
Guess am lucky where I am.
Take keys home every night.
Usually finish shift 2 min walk to office stick all paperwork in my tray.
collect paperwork there for next days job.
Sometimes have quick chat to woman in office walk truck take card out go home…
Next day walk truck insert card do checks.and go.
All.do.is txt work when we start when we finish.
They don’t care about 5 mins here and there. Say finish 18 20 tell em 18.30 and.its fine
Same.if finish 1835 just tell em 18 30 and.not fussed if we arrive 5 mins late or early in the morning.
Doubt I’d cope.working for someone that scrutinises your taco etc.
It’s a little bit like the situation with blindside reversing - Some can do it fairly easily, some find it difficult. Those in the former group usually achieve this by regular practice (or necessity), those in the latter group avoid it as much as possible. All works nicely until the time comes when you are actually required to do it - the former lot simply get on with it without a second thought, while the others sweat, struggle and basically make a total balls-up (or end up asking for help/someone to do it for them…).
The job I do during the summer pay according to tacho entries, and they do not pay breaks. So manual entries for starting and finishing shifts are essential if you want to get paid for completing the paperwork.
On another point, I once messed up a manual entry, much the same as the OP. I took out the 2 printouts, annotated them accordingly giving one copy to the transport manager. As luck would have it, (or not) I had a tug from plod on the 28th day following this. I showed them the printout and explained what had happened. They gave me a verbal warning! I thought they were joking until he handed it to me!
