Man v Auto as I see it

Right folks I thought I’d give my views on the argument.

Since the introduction of auto testing it has been mostly argued that it’s a general conception that it’s easier to pass in an auto, believe you me this is not the case!!.

The most important issue is the quality of training irrespective of the type of transmission, any trainer who markets their training company by Selling it using the auto box argument probably have a fleet with only autos.

I believe an examiner will look more favourably on a candidate performing a test in a manual box and will be more picky in other areas of driving with candidates in a auto.

It has to be remembered a manual truck can be of any type now like straight six speed, slap over and range change.

At present I’m looking to buy a auto C+E combination. My personal opinion is that the C test should be done in a manual and the C+E test should have the option of either manual or auto.

Any wannabe driver who is reluctant to take his training and test in a manual box should seriously question themselves if it is the right career for them or maybe perhaps they should man up a bit!

Of course end of the day it comes down to the choice of the customer so it’s down to the training provider to offer both like Peter Smythe.

Paul

Right folks I thought I’d give my views on the argument.

Go%20ahead!

Since the introduction of auto testing it has been mostly argued that it’s a general conception that it’s easier to pass in an auto, believe you me this is not the case!!.

Sorry, but strongly disagree. Without a shadow of doubt, it’s easier to pass in auto.

The most important issue is the quality of training irrespective of the type of transmission, any trainer who markets their training company by Selling it using the auto box argument probably have a fleet with only autos.

100% agree. Quality is everything.

I believe an examiner will look more favourably on a candidate performing a test in a manual box and will be more picky in other areas of driving with candidates in a auto.

Sorry, disagree. Examiners are more professional than to take that view and I have zero evidence that this is the case.

It has to be remembered a manual truck can be of any type now like straight six speed, slap over and range change.

True. btw, a slapover IS a range change

At present I’m looking to buy a auto C+E combination. My personal opinion is that the C test should be done in a manual and the C+E test should have the option of either manual or auto.

That’s your opinion and it’s perfectly valid.

Any wannabe driver who is reluctant to take his training and test in a manual box should seriously question themselves if it is the right career for them or maybe perhaps they should man up a bit!

Ouch! Maybe a tad rude and/or patronising

Of course end of the day it comes down to the choice of the customer so it’s down to the training provider to offer both like Peter Smythe.

Thanks for the endorsement. For the foreseeable future this will remain the case but I feel that in 3 or 4 years time we’ll probably be 100% auto.

This argument will continue rumbling on for as long as the sun rises in the morning. The fact that most newbies don’t understand (and I sincerely hope I’m not being patronising now!) is that it’s valid to learn on a manual and that’s great. But you will still only know how to use one type of manual. Personally, I passed my test many years ago on a straight 5 speed (when cars were normally 3 or 4) and promptly had to master range changes, splitters etc. Having come from a bus background I’d already dealt with auto and semi - auto (though I learned on a crash 4 speed - - very relevant!). My point is that, IMO, trainers spend more time on “roadcraft” rather than “vehicle control”. For me, taking the work out of learning to master a range change, is a bonus. It’s not though the be all and end all of training.

Paul is totally correct when he refers to “quality”. Folks should spend their time researching this rather than whether the vehicle is manual or auto. That is a choice that is sometimes available having found a quality trainer.

BTW, my responses to Paul are not intended to be any sort of criticism of him or his opinions. My responses merely express mine.

Good luck all, Pete :laughing: :laughing:

I welcome your comments Pete whole point of the post. I stand by all my points at the moment as this is how I see it being a trainer.

No doubt more comments will follow…

Due to a dodgy left ankle playing rugby many yrs ago I only have a auto licence I’ve seen many a doctor and tried to drive manuals but i cramp up and eventually stiffen up so I can’t drive a manual been a chef 20yrs on my feet for owt up to 18hrs a day so in that sense it’s not a problem how am I meant to man up!! Just asking I’m booked in with PSTT next week for my class 2…

i passed C on a slap over and C+E on an auto and i think Manual C + Auto C+E is a good combination. As a newbie i appreciated the extra time i could spend on checking the mirrors and positioning in a artic than thinking of a range change gearbox. However i think that the training should cover both both types of manual gearboxes just for the newbie to know what that looks like, couple of hours should be enough

chunck247:
Due to a dodgy left ankle playing rugby many yrs ago I only have a auto licence I’ve seen many a doctor and tried to drive manuals but i cramp up and eventually stiffen up so I can’t drive a manual been a chef 20yrs on my feet for owt up to 18hrs a day so in that sense it’s not a problem how am I meant to man up!! Just asking I’m booked in with PSTT next week for my class 2…

Strange how you can stand on your feet for 18 hours a day but can’t press a clutch. I broke my leg near my ankle las February had it plated and screwed and find pressing the clutch is good physio…

i think Manual C + Auto C+E is a good combination.

I totally agree. But not to the exclusion of other options. eg a really good way is to train on auto and pass the test with less stress then have an hour or two, without the pressure of any test, on a range change for the experience. But, tbh, there are so many good vid demos on utube I think most could be learnt from that. Clearly it’s not as good as actually doing it, but it’s cheaper and it’s a hell of a lot more instruction than I ever had!

Let’s give folks credit for a bit of common sense and make the reasonable assumption that most would be able to sort out a range change in a few minutes - if they had to.

The final choice of course lies with the candidate and they must make the decision that they are comfortable with. Otherwise, success may well evade them.

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

Not strange just what the injury was/is it wasn’t a break it was Achilles/tendon damage…and congratulations!

I did my tests in auto then paid for a 2hr course on a manual 4 over 4 and was the biggest waste of money I’ve spent this is the truth I didn’t find it hardly any different the only thing was remembering to flick the switch down when u need the lower gears and if I’m honest I rather preferd the manual not so slow at pulling off etc

And I think u can control it better when reversing

To be honest, even if you passed in an auto you shouldn’t not be able to drive a manual. They aren’t rocket science, the only thing that is different when comparing a range change against a straight speed is that you either have a switch or knock over action to change ranges. Everything is the same, same use of the stick and where the gears are located, same use of the clutch etc…

chunck247:
Not strange just what the injury was/is it wasn’t a break it was Achilles/tendon damage…and congratulations!

Take it steady getting in and out of the cab, remember 3 point contact and all the best with it.

Paul :smiley:

I took my C in the 4 over 4 and I’m glad I did. Until the permanent job I have got now I never once encountered an auto whilst on the agency or otherwise. Granted they were all 6 speeds but it’s still nice to know that the familiarity of driving a manual truck was there from the start. Granted the auto I use is only a 6 speed that is the most indecisive gearbox in the world but I wouldn’t want to do this job in a manual!

I’d never knock anyone who went for the Auto route of less to think about on test but i would strongly recommend anyone that does try a manual for an hour just for the familiarity.

Cheers paul and if I happen to slip I’m sure I’ll bounce [emoji6]

I would be more concerned with WHY people want to make it as easy as possible to pass a test. Obviously there is a cost issue to consider, but if you don’t believe you are capable of handling a manual gearbox whilst watching the road and keeping an eye on your trailer etc, then I believe Paul has a point.

At my first CE job, I drove a mix of manual and auto Scania’s, and when I needed to deliver roof trusses, I chose a manual unit for the control it gave me delivering to incredibly tight new build housing estates.

Man up people! Pass in a manual.

Peter Smythe:
Any wannabe driver who is reluctant to take his training and test in a manual box should seriously question themselves if it is the right career for them or maybe perhaps they should man up a bit!

Ouch! Maybe a tad rude and/or patronising

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Why is this rude or patronising Peter? It might be blunt but it’s the reality!!!

Paul

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Peter Smythe:
Any wannabe driver who is reluctant to take his training and test in a manual box should seriously question themselves if it is the right career for them or maybe perhaps they should man up a bit!

Ouch! Maybe a tad rude and/or patronising

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Why is this rude or patronising Peter? It might be blunt but it’s the reality!!!

Paul

Agree totally. If its too much for you to concentrate or your scared of moving a stick to 1 of 6 designated postions while pushing a pedal, then taking a truck on the road where soo much more is happening around you may not be the best idea.

It won’t be long and a manual HGV will be a rarity - almost the case now.

In that case if someone learns and passes the test in a manual it will leave them ill prepared for driving an auto - which is what they’ll end up doing a large degree of the time.

Many seem to think an auto is simpler and ‘just 2 pedals’. To a degree this is the case but a different set of skills are required to drive an automated geRbox properly and get the most from it. Many ‘old school’ drivers complain about the performance of autos - I think some of that is because they don’t know ‘how’ to drive them and treat them as they would a manual. Yes - ‘anyone’ can drive an auto - but can they drive it well.

I prefer Peter Smythes idea. Train and pass in an auto - take an update/refresher in a manual just in case you come across one.

shep532:
It won’t be long and a manual HGV will be a rarity - almost the case now.
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Almost the case now■■? Not really :smiley:

Paul

shep532:
I prefer Peter Smythes idea. Train and pass in an auto - take an update/refresher in a manual just in case you come across one.

I’m training with PSTT in a few weeks, strangely enough in a manual which doesn’t really concern me considering I’ve coped with changing gears for around 30 years :wink: