Hello everybody
I’m be to owner operator currently in process of doing my managerial cpc and was just wondering for the same of the o license where can I get a maintenance contract and how much roughly does it cost. I’m based on the highlands scotland
Cheers in advance
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Speak to your local garage that repairs trucks, or a main dealer if you have one nearby, they all should be able to sort you a maintenance contact out.
Okay cheers. Happen to know the cost involved?
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It is unlikely to be that sort of contract. Unless you manage to secure an R&M deal with them, which will be almost exclusively on a lorry they are supplying, then it will be merely a labour rate quotation and any possible discount they may offer you on parts. They will give you a set price for safety inspections but that will not include any rectification work or extras like topping up levels. You will also be able to get a guide price for servicing, which they will hone more accurately when they know exactly what they are being expected to work upon. The same will apply to any trailers you may be operating. I would add that if the vehcile or trailer turns out to be an absolute dog incurring pages of defects for rectification, then you are likely to be charged more than any set price negotiated.
Okay thanks appreciate it
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Do you mean the maintenance contract you need to send off with your O’licence application if you’re not doing your own maintenance?
If so this is one from the DVSA agency you can download and use.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/341126/gv79-annex-d-maintenance-contract.pdf
However if you’re looking for a fixed price maintenance deal, then Cav551 covered that.
Yes tgats right bud
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Most garages should be able to provide you with a fixed monthly price to pay which would cover your preventative maintenance, as the number of safety inspections in the year will be fixed as will services items such as oil, filter changes etc. You would then have to pay on top for any repairs that were necessary at the safety inspection to keep you legal, or any breakdowns/repairs in between inspections.
And that would be considered by as a maintenec contract for my o license?
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having read both your posts I think you need to talk to someone that runs a truck already, as you seem to know very little for someone about to spend an awful amount of money, I don’t doubt your enthusiasm but do yourself a favour and walk into a company and ask for help and guidance, if you have taken your lgv the trainer would have been a starting point, a he runs trucks, b he probably has previous customers that started on their own, c he will know insurance agents garages etc who will all help in asked, if we knew which area you are in someone will know a friendly old boy who could guide you.
I’m in sunny old nairn up in the highlands.I was going to ask companies but my assumption was that they a)wouldn’t want to talk to someone who hasn’t started yet and other owner drivers don’t want to discuss how much they make shockingly lol. And I will ask my trainer about all of that cheers
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benshelby:
And that would be considered by as a maintenec contract for my o license?Sent from my SM-J500FN using Tapatalk
The maintenance contract for your O’licence application is the form I posted earlier, it basically is an agreement between you and your maintenance supplier stating that the maintenance will be carried out in accordance with the regulations and your O’licence and they will supply the correct records of this and you will keep the records.
You don’t have to agree a fixed monthly price, or pay a fee to have the contract, but obviously for your costings it would be worth knowing how much they charge for safety inspections and servicing and how often you have to get them done and what their hourly rate is.
I think Hotel Magnum has a fair point about you lack of knowledge of the haulage industry.
Do you not think it would be worth working for somebody for a few years, preferably both as a driver and in the office. and get some knowledge of the industry and get some contacts?
I work in the haualge industry now. And getting an office job would mean getting qualifications in that field. I know about operators licenses and Maintenace contract and requiring 7k in the bank and having an operating base and etc all i need to know is how much o/o is paying I’m on 13 quid and hour working for an agency and have 4 kids so want to know wether it pays or not. I don’t belive all these ppl that are onwer operators arnt making money and only get £1 per mile when fuel is 98p per litre and and trucks do average of 9mpg. Just some truth and clarity would be nice n simples. Not having a go or acting like I know it all just a wee bit of advice would be sound
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benshelby:
I work in the haualge industry now. And getting an office job would mean getting qualifications in that field. I know about operators licenses and Maintenace contract and requiring 7k in the bank and having an operating base and etc all i need to know is how much o/o is paying I’m on 13 quid and hour working for an agency and have 4 kids so want to know wether it pays or not. I don’t belive all these ppl that are onwer operators arnt making money and only get £1 per mile when fuel is 98p per litre and and trucks do average of 9mpg. Just some truth and clarity would be nice n simples. Not having a go or acting like I know it all just a wee bit of advice would be soundSent from my SM-J500FN using Tapatalk
I’m apologise, but reading your questions, there does seem to be a level of naivety, you seemed unsure about what maintenance contract you required for your O’licence application. Although this will be covered on your CPC course.
You are doing your Operators CPC so that would actually give you a qualification to get into a transport office, but it’s unlikely that you’d earn the same money in the transport office that you’re earning on agency.
I don’t work in the hire and reward haulage sector, although the last place I worked we did do a bit of specialist car movements, but we priced those up on a job by job basis, so I can’t give you much advice about rates and I’m also pretty sure sure rates differ throughout the country as well as between different companies and different types of work. I also know operators who get paid hourly rates or day rates for jobs as they consist of short runs, but a lot of time waiting to load and unload.
If you get something like Truckstop news or Trucking Mag they often have adverts for owner drivers inside, these companies normally pay the lowest rates hence their need to advertise, but getting the info from them would at least give you an idea what their rates are. Also if you have a regular customer on the work you do, why not ask them if they use subbies and what rates they’d pay if you were interested in starting out as a subbie for them?
That’s a smart idea I will ask them cheers
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If you can get regular hours at £13 per hour I’d stay where you are. You would do well to better that as a naive owner driver, and have all the risk too.
Life is full of risk from crossing the street to working for a multi national company that goes into administration the next day. And plus who wants to do all the hard work just so a CEO or owner can get all the reward
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Hello, just read your post and some of the replies…
I have just set up on my own. I’ve been a transport manager for 17 years in shipping & later in retail (B&Q). I decided I’d had enough of constantly dealing with idiots and decided I’d do my own thing. I’ve done the ‘apprentiship’… CPC National & International, been a traffic planner and run a fleet of trucks on general haulage and then finally Transport Manager/Depot Manager. I did my LGV in the dark ages (1995) when you could do a Class 1 from the off… and spent the next 20 years on and off jumping in and out of trucks and bailing people out.
If this is your 1st truck, cut out all the hassle and try to get something on a full R & M deal. if you shop about there are some cracking deals at around £ 250 per week, which gets you a 3 year old truck, fully serviced, maintained and taxed. You just add fuel and insure it. Shop about for your insurance. I was quoted as little as £ 2K, but that only gets you one driver. I’ve ended up paying considerably more because I wanted 3 named drivers to cover odd days and also holidays and ADR, which I can get a premium for. (Includes Goods In Transit, Motor Vehicle, PLI & ELI insurance)
I looked at buying… I could get something like an 11 plate MAN TGA 26 440 for £ 12k ish… that had done 500K. The local dealer wanted £ 35 per hour labour, but were also happy to work me out a maintenance agreement. As a new operator, to satisfy the Licencing Authority, you will probably end up with 6 week service intervals, so plan in at least 8… (although some will be inspections, intermediates etc…)
You mention about available funds. I’ve got a licence for 2 trucks & 2 trailers. The LA will grant you a licence BUT will most likely want to put an undertaking on the licence which will ask you to present 3 months bank statements, within the 1st 6 months, to ensure that you’ve got the funds & have not just switched some cash over to your business account to get the licence and then taken it out again…
Save yourself a load of hassle… I took my application into Leeds and they virtually OK’ed it whilst I waited. From start to finish it took me 5 weeks.
I like you have done agency. I got fed up of being picked up and put down. In North Lincs where I live you where offered £9 - £ 10 per hour straight through which was naff and was expected to be able to work at the drop of a hat…
I now have got regular work with a large shipping company who will provide me with fuel and will pay me 30 days prompt. The rates not great, but you have to start somewhere. I’ve also picked up a Fuel Genie card which allows me to fuel up at the supermarkets, gives me 45 days credit and they’ve even offered me a modest amount of credit…
I won’t be rich, BUT I won’t have the hassle of running 22 trucks, day and night and the shenanighans that some drivers get up to. When you can do the job yourself, you tend to lose diplomacy when you get idiots who tell you something can’t be done, or just want to drag the job out AND don’t even get me started on EU drivers…
Good luck, if you decide to set up. If you need any help, feel free to message me.
Cheers
My local dealer are offering a 3 year old 6x2 tractor unit with a full R&M package for £249/week. Nothing else to pay except tyres, fuel and insurance. Definitely the best way forward if you ask me.
£35 hr from a main dealer sounds very cheap, that is more like the rate demanded by the large rental companies. I would be surprised if that did more than cover their overheads, a bit like some of the haulage per mile figures offered. I reckon there’s some manufacturer support hidden in there somewhere, maybe all diagnostic equipment and special tools are factory owned or possibly an exceptionally low cost price to the dealer for spares. The obvious is of course what they are paying their staff or whether they are trying to claw back a reputation.