“The enemy within” was a very apt description of Scargill and the Union heirarchy, not a description of the rank and file members of the NUM during the 84/85 strikes.
Wheel Nut:
“The enemy within” was a very apt description of Scargill and the Union heirarchy, not a description of the rank and file members of the NUM during the 84/85 strikes.
I think that sooner or later the union rank and file would have been able to convince their leaderships that the idea of following the bs idea of socialism/communism was just a red herring which was diverting the unions’ efforts from just doing what they were there for in looking after the interests,concerning job security,wages and terms and conditions,of that rank and file.
BUT.Make no mistake the main aims of the industrial action which took place during the period in question was mostly about those criteria with the idea of pushing the socialist cause being a wrong move which was in second place to that.Simply based on the mistaken idea that socialism and installing ( what they thought of as ) a socialist government,was the best way to acheive those aims. 
Whereas ironically most rank and file union members,with any intelligence,just like their American counterparts,realised that socialism is a bs ideology based on the politics of envy which won’t provide the aims which the unions were trying to acheive.Which I’m sure that even Scargill realises now and if not he should do.
However.Make no mistake those like Thatcher were just using that situation as a smoke screen to divert attention from their real aims which really were all about destroying job security,wage levels,and terms and conditions for British workers,just as happened in the States under the Reagan regime,by rigging the labour market into a situation of over supply and smashing the power of the unions.While the reference to the ‘enemy within’ certainly was directed towards that rank and file.As shown by the level of force and government rhetoric used against that rank and file,at least during the miners strike and the subsequent laws which were passed removing many of the trade unions’ previous freedoms to take industrial action as required.
While as history shows also seeming to have a hidden agenda in taking advantage of that situation to transfer our domestic wealth creating industries to our competitors including Communist run countries like China in exchange for access to cheap labour working under such totalitarian regimes.
Therefore unlike the unions,in which their connections with the Socialist/Communist cause was more a case of mistaken loyalties to a flawed ideology,it’s obvious that those like Thatcher and Reagan were actually,deliberately,getting us involved with such ideology at government level with the intention of transferring wealth from west to east.The result is where the uk economy is now compared to that of countries like China.
Therefore who’s calling who the real Communist enemy within now. 
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Saviem:
The Deeres full of cherry, so away for a long night , but the Barn Owls are about, and that sight is magnificent!Cheerio for now.
Just watch out for the Cuckoos!! 
A least one of the cuckoos has hijacked this thread!
Could we keep to the subject please folks and not use the thread to promote our own political ideologies?
alexsaville:
THIS IS A POLITICAL THREAD AND AS SUCH IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO BE POSTED ON TRUCKNET.
I CALL UPON RIKKI CHEQUER TO REMOVE THIS POST.
POLITICS, LIKE RELIGION, IS MANY THINGS TO MANY PEOPLE.
ROMOVE IT NOW, PLEASE!
Alex
Nonsense. Grown men are having a topical discussion just as you would find in any pub. They are giving their differing views and opinions AS IS THEIR RIGHT.
Carryfast:
richgriff:
It`s now 2013 not 1972.The country was in the black when Blair took over and Brown sold all the gold.We are again paying for incompetance,incapable people leading,labour again.Lets dig ourselves out of the c–p they have left again.It all depends on your definition of in the black.Compared to the highly unionised industrialised economy as it stood in 1972 the place has been a joke ever since Thatcher,with a bit of help from Heath and Callaghan before her,destroyed the country’s industrial base and the strength of it’s unions.Thereby causing the situation of high supply and low demand in the labour market and the loss of the ability of unions to keep wage levels ahead of prices.Blair and Brown were just following on with the inevitable results of those economics of the madhouse.
How are you going to dig yourself out of the crap which those governments and every government since has put us in when you’re in the perfect storm of now being a net importer of energy and manufactured goods with a trade deficit to match a currency that’s on it’s knees,and with wage levels lagging behind prices,resulting in loss of disposable incomes and flat lining economic growth.Mostly all the result of years of being run by a shop keeper’s daughter who tried to run the country like a corner shop instead of a developed modern industrialised country.Just like her crony Reagan did to the US.What can you expect from a not very good film star made president with previous documented communist tendencies.
You seem to have a very poor opinion of people CF, I didn’t like Mrs Thatcher, her style, or her politics, she obviously didn’t have much time for the working man, but I think I’m intelligent enough to listen rationally to all sides. I was a union man for 40 years, never 1 days industrial action, but the union leaders DID need curbing, steadying down a bit. IMO you have a very bigoted view of things. You say that she was “a grocers daughter” and Reagan a “not very good film star” , remarks like that demonstrate the shallowness of your argument.
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??
If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
No-one seems to remember the highest unemployment since the 30s, some of the highest interest rates on record, privatisation of the energy co’s (all now foreign owned) who we are all at the mercy of , selling off council houses at stupidly low prices &, at the same time, not sanctioning any new building leading to the situation we have now where private landlords charge inflated rent to what used to be council house tenants, the deregulation of the financial services which ultimately led to the banking crisis we are now enduring.
All of this financed by squandering our North sea oil/gas reserves which should have been used to invest in the counry but weren’t & now leaves us dependent on overseas suppliers at whatever they wish to charge.
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.
grumpy old man:
Carryfast:
richgriff:
It`s now 2013 not 1972.The country was in the black when Blair took over and Brown sold all the gold.We are again paying for incompetance,incapable people leading,labour again.Lets dig ourselves out of the c–p they have left again.It all depends on your definition of in the black.Compared to the highly unionised industrialised economy as it stood in 1972 the place has been a joke ever since Thatcher,with a bit of help from Heath and Callaghan before her,destroyed the country’s industrial base and the strength of it’s unions.Thereby causing the situation of high supply and low demand in the labour market and the loss of the ability of unions to keep wage levels ahead of prices.Blair and Brown were just following on with the inevitable results of those economics of the madhouse.
How are you going to dig yourself out of the crap which those governments and every government since has put us in when you’re in the perfect storm of now being a net importer of energy and manufactured goods with a trade deficit to match a currency that’s on it’s knees,and with wage levels lagging behind prices,resulting in loss of disposable incomes and flat lining economic growth.Mostly all the result of years of being run by a shop keeper’s daughter who tried to run the country like a corner shop instead of a developed modern industrialised country.Just like her crony Reagan did to the US.What can you expect from a not very good film star made president with previous documented communist tendencies.
You seem to have a very poor opinion of people CF, I didn’t like Mrs Thatcher, her style, or her politics, she obviously didn’t have much time for the working man, but I think I’m intelligent enough to listen rationally to all sides. I was a union man for 40 years, never 1 days industrial action, but the union leaders DID need curbing, steadying down a bit. IMO you have a very bigoted view of things. You say that she was “a grocers daughter” and Reagan a “not very good film star” , remarks like that demonstrate the shallowness of your argument.
Why exactly did the unions’ leaderships need ‘curbing’ by draconian government action in your view,considering that at the time their main aims were exactly those which I’ve described of defending,and the continuous improvement of,the criteria of job security,income levels,and terms and conditions,eventually leading to the economic figures which the country had,as I’ve said,in 1972.As opposed to those during Callaghan’s and then Thatcher’s administration and since.
The issue of the trade unions’ leaderships taking the wrong,mistaken,route in doing that,by allowing themselves to be side tracked by the socialist/communist cause,was an internal matter for the rank and file to sort out not government.Which in reality,as history proves,was an issue which the government,which of course has always been run by the CBI for the interests of the CBI,hijacked and took advantage of in order to totally remove the unions’ ability to carry out those core aims,as opposed to those mistaken political ones in thinking that keeping a so called ‘socialist’ government,in the form of the Labour Party,in power by way of industrial action was the way to acheive those aims.
The fact is the idea of being diverted by the bs socialist agenda was a mistake that has put the ‘working man’ here back decades.Especially when that agenda was then used as ammunition and an excuse by the government to totally destroy the British trade union movement.Although no suprise that government agenda seemed to have a communist agenda of it’s own in the transfer of wealth from west to east partly it seems to take advantage of the cheap labour potential in such totalitarian regimes.IE the Chinese worker has no right to strike at all which is obviously the next step along the way for the commie agenda supporting British government assuming that the present trade union legislation isn’t enough to do what they want anyway.
As for Reagan being a film star and Thatcher being a shop keepers’ daughter,neither of who therefore,had any background whatsoever in industry at shop floor level,was a fact.Which obviously would have explained their total lack of understanding,in what it takes,to run modern industrialised countries of the types which they were both,for some reason,given control of,and then sold out to the interests of the Communists in countries like China and Russia. 
Wether you think Reagan was a very good film star is your choice although as I’ve said the evidence does suggest that he applied to join the American Communist Party.Which obviously explains Thatcher’s association with him and her subsequent dealings with Gorbachev,which seem to have included shutting down Britain’s mining industry,thereby making us dependent,in large part,on Russian energy imports in the longer term.Not to mention,like in the case of America,the transfer of wealth from Britain to China in the ‘global free market economy’. 
Jazzandy:
A least one of the cuckoos has hijacked this thread!Could we keep to the subject please folks and not use the thread to promote our own political ideologies?
Thatcherism is a documented political ideology and her supporters seem to be doing plenty of promotion of her and her ideology to me.
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.
Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.
She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech 
See how I did that? without mentioning Galtieri, the Falklands or the Dock Labour Scheme and Coal Miners
Wheel Nut:
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech
To think she did all that and yet we’ve still managed to end up with the economic figures we’ve got now compared to those of 1972. 
By the way good luck with your cheap Chinese made consumer goods that burst into flames for no reason and as for trying to do a decent job using Chinese tools instead of good old fashioned British or American made ones good luck with that too.
Yeah right maybe she helped to change the minds in the case of a few misguided left wingers in the unions.But in doing so it’s just turned the Labour Party into another Thatcherite bunch of idiots instead.So it’s no surprise that we’ve got an economy run for the interests of the Chinese Communist Party by the Chinese Communist Party helped by a country run by an ex KGB officer.
As for North Korea yeah right nuking it with a Trident missile or two might not be such a good idea in regards to the so called friendly countries surrounding the place depending on which way the wind is blowing at the time and it’s doubtfult that Cam and Clegg would do anything to upset Maggies’ old communist friends in the great People’s Republic next door that supports the place.
It’s more likely that conventional forces would be sent in again except this time they’ll find themselves a bit short of ammunition and hardware because of the defence cuts caused here by the transfer of wealth to China.Which just leaves the question of who is arming North Korea and who’s paying for it.
Wheel Nut:
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech
agree with all of the above.
imagine what this country would have been like if micheal foot or that ■■■■■■■ idiot kinnock had ever been voted in?
Wheel Nut:
See how I did that? without mentioning Galtieri, the Falklands or the Dock Labour Scheme and Coal Miners
Wheelnut, beautifully put. Cheerio for now.
Wheel Nut:
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech
Ah right, it all makes sense when the important bits like interest rates & unemployment figures are “snipped away” 
Guess they don’t matter?
Oh just to add… there were no 3 day weeks during the miners strike of the 80’s
Melchett:
Wheel Nut:
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech
You forgot to add ecomic growth figures,trade deficit and debt levels,caused by the unsustainable rate of imports of energy and manufactured goods which we were self sufficient in,value of the pound in real terms which means that what wages people are being paid are worth peanuts and workers having to work longer hours for less in return.It all makes sense to those like the bankers or business people who are profitting from the situation of the sell out of the western economies to the communists.
andrew.s:
Wheel Nut:
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech
imagine what this country would have been like if micheal foot or that [zb] idiot kinnock had ever been voted in?
Or even worse if the leaders of the two leading nations in the western world had sold out their economies to the Chinese Communist Party amongst others like someone who was high up in the KGB.
So now how should we vote or is it revolution red in tooth and claw?
Carryfast:
andrew.s:
Wheel Nut:
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech
imagine what this country would have been like if micheal foot or that [zb] idiot kinnock had ever been voted in?
Or even worse if the leaders of the two leading nations in the western world had sold out their economies to the Chinese Communist Party amongst others like someone who was high up in the KGB.
who was high up in the kgb? or have you been on the acid again carryfast?..
andrew.s:
Carryfast:
andrew.s:
Wheel Nut:
Melchett:
Personally I don’t see why she is held in such high esteem??If you look at her record while in office it’s a miserable fail. All I ever see on a Thatcher thread is “she beat the miners” & “Falklands war”.
(snipped away)
I’m not going to deny that the country needed change but to do it the way she did was devisive & confrontational. If all she is remembered for is nailing Scargill & beating (just) a 3rd rate army then it’s a sad state of affairs.Confrontational?
Maybe, she fought the IRA who were out to get her and did get two senior pillars of Britain. Mountbatten and Airey Neave. They almost got her in Brighton.She fought the Russians, not with arms but with words, she probably ended the cold war, she certainly supported the new Russia and Poland under Perestroika and Walesa.
She fought the students, the National union of Students and the militant hard left policies.
She defeated Nuclear Disarmament and supported Trident, which has kept us safe, even now we can still blow North Koreas hat off.
She fought the archaic licensing laws, she relaxed the shop laws and many other restrictive practices.
She supported freedom, she allowed the man in the street to have his own business without interruption from the state monopolies.
She actually cut taxes which meant you paid more income tax because you earnt much more, beware of Millipede trying to do it again, he doesnt understand the trick.
She saved the Labour Party from consuming itself, she rid it of extreme left wing politics and politicians.
The industries she closed down were self deserving for shoddy workmanship, restrictive practice and corruption.
Other industries closed down because they could not compete when they only had power for half of the time and the three day week meant no one was interested in our products.
She certainly didnt get everything right but she made your life and mine much better than it was pre Thatcher. it wasn’t the Conservatives who opened up the banks to the private sector and corruption or gave up the governments power over the Bank of England. That was your very own New Labour under Gordon and AnTony.
Oh and she gave us freedom of speech
imagine what this country would have been like if micheal foot or that [zb] idiot kinnock had ever been voted in?
Or even worse if the leaders of the two leading nations in the western world had sold out their economies to the Chinese Communist Party amongst others like someone who was high up in the KGB.
who was high up in the kgb? or have you been on the acid again carryfast?..
Not forgetting the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union who Maggie was obviously making deals with.Seems more like a sell out than a fight with words to me.No surprise that taking the British coal industry out of the frame,thereby making us dependent in large part on Russian imports,was obviously part of the deal.Which seems to put Scargill’s and the Trade Unions’ issues,concerning so called socialist infiltration and/or their supposed communist agenda,into perspective.
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