Maggie (Not Deutz)

Carlc:
The tory’s go on about what a great leader she was, her own cabinet ministers ousted her from office!!! She can’t have been doing that good a job. Most of you guys on this site would have been a member of one union or another? So how can you support someone who was hell bent on destroying ALL unions not just the NUM.

Hi

It was not a case of destroying the unions. Just making them democratic and making them represent their members instead of following extreem poliical ideals that would have made us like a comunist state. I am sure you will be interested that towards the end of her time at Downing Street a survey showed that 60% of union membership supported her.

Two things caused her political assasination. Pole Tax, which in itself was not as unfare as it became, had the greedy local authrities not seen it as a chance to dramaiclly increase their charges. The excessive cost as opposed to the lower amount collected under the old rating system caused the problems.

The other thing was Europe and the thoughts that they would take too much control away from our own parliament. In fact Thatcher was hated more by the aristocracy of her own party, who saw her destroying their comfortable life style, whilst wealth was more evenly spread throughout the community. Thats why the streets were filled with ordinary people such as the London Taxi drivers, who thought she was wonderful.

Carl

She was a great woman and the greatest peace-time Prime Minister this Country has had. Especially for those of us who can remember the state that Wilson and Callaghan had got us into, this proud Country crawling to the IMF begging for loans and the 3 day week.

I think it is shameful that people are now trying to blame her for things that she had nothing whatever to do with.
On Midlands TV news the other evening some fig-brain who was or is the Mayor of Birmingham said ‘She murdered British Leyland’. Most people remember it rather differently.
Last evening on Radio 4 some woman from Yorkshire was dripping on about how much she hated her saying that she ‘stole’ her husbands job and he was never able to find another and now their grandson has lost his life in Afganistan. Quite how that was Mrs Thatcher’s fault was not made clear.
But interestingly the point was made on the same programme that the Minister who closed the highest number of pits was… Tony Benn. They don’t have much to say about that do they?
And Kinnock, who now has a lot to say for himself, has firgotten that, at the time, he was the number one advocate of the UK joining the Euro. Thank God the Lady was not for turning on that point either.

RIP Maggie

David

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Alex

I think truck drivers are mature and sensible enough to discuss these things in a moderate manner, but I had thought this thread would be over by now anyway once the great lady has been laid to rest and I would like to thank the protesters on Wednesday for doing so in such a dignified manner which added tremendously to their case.

alexsaville:
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Shhhh. It might keep the Loon off the lorry threads. His head-in-a-bucket “opinions” are all rooted in simplistic schoolboy politics, so this thread is our best chance of keeping him occupied.

David Miller:
She was a great woman and the greatest peace-time Prime Minister this Country has had. Especially for those of us who can remember the state that Wilson and Callaghan had got us into, this proud Country crawling to the IMF begging for loans and the 3 day week.

I think it is shameful that people are now trying to blame her for things that she had nothing whatever to do with.
On Midlands TV news the other evening some fig-brain who was or is the Mayor of Birmingham said ‘She murdered British Leyland’. Most people remember it rather differently.
Last evening on Radio 4 some woman from Yorkshire was dripping on about how much she hated her saying that she ‘stole’ her husbands job and he was never able to find another and now their grandson has lost his life in Afganistan. Quite how that was Mrs Thatcher’s fault was not made clear.
But interestingly the point was made on the same programme that the Minister who closed the highest number of pits was… Tony Benn. They don’t have much to say about that do they?
And Kinnock, who now has a lot to say for himself, has firgotten that, at the time, he was the number one advocate of the UK joining the Euro. Thank God the Lady was not for turning on that point either.

RIP Maggie

David

It was actually Heath who was in power during the miners’ strike which resulted in the 3 day week.While even that was a questionable issue related to it possibly/probably having been effectively a lockout of workers not involved in the strike to cause a backlash against the miners considering the little difference it made to conserving coal stocks which was the so called stated aim of it’s imposition.While the miners’ demands of a decent increase on the £27 per week they were getting for that job wasn’t exactly outrageous considering the type of money which the bankers were paying themselves during the early 1980’s under Thatcher.

The economy was actually going in the right direction,peaking in 1972,until we joined the EEC,which was actually a Tory idea based on Heath’s fears of another war in the future with Germany,which Thatcher then supported membership of at the referendum.Most,if not all,of the industrial strife of the 1970’s was caused by the combination of the OPEC oil embargo and resulting oil price increases resulting price and taxation increases which resulted from EEC membership,together with the resulting job losses caused by the flood of Euro imports.

As for the idea that it wasn’t Thatcher who closed down Britain’s mining industry with the help of Mc Gregor,causing the 1984 miners’ strike,thereby making us a net importer of energy in the long term,that’s just bs re writing of history.Although no one is saying that the ‘Labour Party’ has ever defended the interests of those it is elected to being that it’s always been just another Tory Party in all but name.

So how was it that this so called proud country,which was self sufficient in oil,gas and coal,couldn’t pay it’s workforce a decent wage to keep incomes in line with prices and allowed it’s currency to fall to less than 50% of it’s value against a real currency like the Swiss Franc between 1973-1979.While charging it’s people as much,if not more,for their own oil as our competitors were paying for it on world markets which had been rigged by OPEC.While if Thatcher was right the economy would now be a lot better off in real terms than it was in 1972.Suggest you check out the actual relevant figures which,unlike the bs which supports her economic policies and all those since,don’t lie.

[zb]
anorak:

alexsaville:
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Alex

Shhhh. It might keep the Loon off the lorry threads. His head-in-a-bucket “opinions” are all rooted in simplistic schoolboy politics, so this thread is our best chance of keeping him occupied.

I think the reality is that history shows that it’s your ideas which seem to be based on something less than junior school level intelligence. :unamused:

alexsaville:
THIS IS A POLITICAL THREAD AND AS SUCH IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO BE POSTED ON TRUCKNET.
I CALL UPON RIKKI CHEQUER TO REMOVE THIS POST.
POLITICS, LIKE RELIGION, IS MANY THINGS TO MANY PEOPLE.
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Alex

Just stand back a minute “alexsaville” and look at the fat headed mangle worzill lookalike you have as a leader in Scotland, lets hope you gain Independence from us and don’t come crying back to our government for a sub when things don’t work out how you expect them to, you obviously are not capable of interlectual discussion on any subject so keep your head in the bucket mate, Buzzer.

PS. The reaction to Jazzandys thread on MT is certainly stirred up sum debate so well done to you Sir for starting it.

Does everyone know that she told the police to intercept food, clothing and cash donations aimed at the miners families and dispose of these donations how they wished?
She was the first woman Prime minister and I think she will be the last!

stevecook:
Does everyone know that she told the police to intercept food, clothing and cash donations aimed at the miners families and dispose of these donations how they wished?
She was the first woman Prime minister and I think she will be the last!

Were you in her cabinet at the time to get this information or is just here say as there seems to be a rash of this type of information on what Mrs T did or did not do on this thread, as for her being the last woman PM we will have you are wrong on that count also as we have one in office right now, no guts to sort out the real problems of this country, we are sick so lets take the medicine and get well, Buzzer.

Buzzer:

stevecook:
Does everyone know that she told the police to intercept food, clothing and cash donations aimed at the miners families and dispose of these donations how they wished?
She was the first woman Prime minister and I think she will be the last!

Were you in her cabinet at the time to get this information or is just here say as there seems to be a rash of this type of information on what Mrs T did or did not do on this thread, as for her being the last woman PM we will have you are wrong on that count also as we have one in office right now, no guts to sort out the real problems of this country, we are sick so lets take the medicine and get well, Buzzer.

I think people who weren’t in her cabinet knew of this, specifically the senior police officer interviewed on TV who said so!
We are indeed a sick country because we don’t have any industry left to make goods to sell - I wonder how that happened?

Carryfast:

[zb]
anorak:
Shhhh. It might keep the Loon off the lorry threads. His head-in-a-bucket “opinions” are all rooted in simplistic schoolboy politics, so this thread is our best chance of keeping him occupied.

I think the reality is that history shows that it’s your ideas which seem to be based on something less than junior school level intelligence. :unamused:

How do you know I’m talking about you?
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Buzzer:

stevecook:
Does everyone know that she told the police to intercept food, clothing and cash donations aimed at the miners families and dispose of these donations how they wished?
She was the first woman Prime minister and I think she will be the last!

Were you in her cabinet at the time to get this information or is just here say as there seems to be a rash of this type of information on what Mrs T did or did not do on this thread, as for her being the last woman PM we will have you are wrong on that count also as we have one in office right now, no guts to sort out the real problems of this country, we are sick so lets take the medicine and get well, Buzzer.

We’re sick ‘because’ of her economic policies of smashing the unions’ power and turning us into a service and banking industry led economy,in which general wage levels are lagging behind prices ( unless you’re one of the chosen few like the bankers ) resulting in non existent economic growth.In which we’ve got a trade deficit and resulting debt levels to match,and in which the Chinese Communist Party and the Russian ‘business community’ have been the biggest benificiaries of her idea of global free market economics,together with the fact that every government we’ve had since has followed those policies instead of reversing them. :unamused:

[zb]
anorak:

Carryfast:

[zb]
anorak:
Shhhh. It might keep the Loon off the lorry threads. His head-in-a-bucket “opinions” are all rooted in simplistic schoolboy politics, so this thread is our best chance of keeping him occupied.

I think the reality is that history shows that it’s your ideas which seem to be based on something less than junior school level intelligence. :unamused:

How do you know I’m talking about you?
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I aplogise if I was wrong and you meant someone else. :smiling_imp: :wink:

Carryfast:
Blah blah bloody blah ad infinitum blah bleahhh…Party and the Russian ‘business community’ has been the biggest benificiaries of her idea of global free market economics,together with the fact that every government we’ve had since has followed those policies instead of reversing them. :unamused:

So economists across the complete political spectrum are united by one thing- you think you are cleverer than them. Is it any wonder that every poster on this forum also disagrees with you?

Carryfast:

[zb]
anorak:

Carryfast:

[zb]
anorak:
Shhhh. It might keep the Loon off the lorry threads. His head-in-a-bucket “opinions” are all rooted in simplistic schoolboy politics, so this thread is our best chance of keeping him occupied.

I think the reality is that history shows that it’s your ideas which seem to be based on something less than junior school level intelligence. :unamused:

How do you know I’m talking about you?
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I aplogise if I was wrong and you meant someone else. :smiling_imp: :wink:

You were right, for once.

I think if this debate was taking place in a boozer it would all end up in A & E!

[zb]
anorak:

Carryfast:
Blah blah bloody blah ad infinitum blah bleahhh…Party and the Russian ‘business community’ has been the biggest benificiaries of her idea of global free market economics,together with the fact that every government we’ve had since has followed those policies instead of reversing them. :unamused:

So economists across the complete political spectrum are united by one thing- you think you are cleverer than them. Is it any wonder that every poster on this forum also disagrees with you?

I don’t think that I’m cleverer than tossers like Thatcher,Blair,Brown,Cam and Clegg I know I am at least if it’s all about looking after the country’s interests and not selling it out to the EU and the global free market economy instead. :imp:

I watched some old lorry videos last night. Whoops, taken the thread off topic.

stevecook:
I think if this debate was taking place in a boozer it would all end up in A & E!

No that’s always been the typical tactics of the strike breakers over the years rather than intelligent debate.