Went to look at a mates ‘project’ the other day. Possibly one of the weirdest vehicles ever.
Take a Scania 82m fire engine. F reg. Leave the double cab, remove the tender / rear box. Replace the rear box with the box from a prison van. (yeah…I thought he was kidding, but no…) Then paint entire thing yellow and black.
That was the state they purchased the vehicle in. I have no idea if it has already passed a SVA test, or needs to, but I will be making sure before I drive it for them.
Anyway, they want to make this into a motorhome. Unladen weight (i.e. with box empty) is 7.8 tonnes. The argument about cat B or cat C has been done to death in other forums ( http://www.motorhomefacts.com/ftopic-847-days0-orderasc-0.html ) and I’m not going there - I have cat C anyway. ( AFAIK only one case ever got to court and CPS gave up in end )
But what about speed limiter (think fire engines don’t normally have them?) and tacho (certainly none fitted)? Exempt?! DVLA seems to say they are exempt. As a motorhome do they need an O license?
Thanks for any ideas.
Disclaimer - I’m just the intended driver, not part of project! I’ll be wanting to see t&t and insurance before it goes near a public road in my hands.
nick2008:
To answer the O licence. … Why would it. have a search on net for o licence requirement. the answer would be No
Thanks for reply.
I think (on several fronts) it comes down to whether it’s a goods vehicle or not. Essentially it will be a motor home which also carries some useful stuff, e.g. sound system components and possibly skateboard ramps disassembled. These aren’t permanently attached to the vehicle. They are also thinking eventually of adding a trailer.
It’s also a bit weird that something that is essentially a truck can spent the first portion of it’s life exempt from MOTs and stuff because it’s a fire engine, then the 2nd portion exempt from everything as a motorhome. But if it is all considered legal, and I’ll be able to explain all this to a German motorway cop then I’m not complaining.
“Motor Caravans of over 3500kg used for carrying goods, (for example traders who use their motorhome for carrying stock) are subject to goods vehicle requirements.”
I think I understand where the grey spots are now.
i think if the motor home has an area to carry goods then its a truck are they running this as a buisness if so then im sure some sort of o licence will be needed and it will need tacho and limiter retro fitted but im not an expert so dont shout at me please
davhems:
i think if the motor home has an area to carry goods then its a truck are they running this as a buisness if so then im sure some sort of o licence will be needed and it will need tacho and limiter retro fitted but im not an expert so dont shout at me please
Thanks. Yeah - that is my take too.
My advice to them will be keep it very clear IF they are a business and IF they intend to carry goods or intend to allow others to carry goods. As far as I understand it they intend to get a few investers to jointly own the vehicle, which each party getting a months usage. That could just about be construed to be private use, providing each invester / co-owner uses it simply as a motorhome and only carries equipment for their own recreation. I personally think they would be advised to stay within the UK with it too…!
kindle530:
i cant help you with your question, but the lorry reminded me of this German 112 i saw on the boat at Ancona for Greece.]
Nice pic! What are the 82’s like to drive? Think it’s a straight 6 manual (no gear stick head) so that will be another voyage of discovery…
Note to self - must find reverse BEFORE I need it.
I would assume by the nature of the op that it will be used for skateboard demos and attending board comps. If so surely it will come under the not for hire or reward` rules.
All very well but try finding a campsite that will take it!
It will severley limit the amount of places they can go with it. Same with those artic campers / motorhomes, there not many places that will except them either because of the size.
