m6 crash

[farnboroughboy11]

Carryfast:

albion1971:
As for building trucks with bonnets that will not change the way the driver drives.Yes it might save a truck drivers life but it’s the drivers that need to change not the trucks.Aggressive drivers would become even more aggressive with a long bonnet in front of them.It would make then feel even safer than they are now while tailgating other vehicles.

But surely saving lives is what it’s all about and it doesn’t matter how it’s done because it’s the numbers that matter.There’s no logic in just trying to improve the figures by concentrating on one issue when those numbers could be improved even more by the combination of looking at both driving standards and the crash worthiness of vehicles.

The idea that improving crash worthiness creates more aggressive driving,leading to more casualties,not less,would contradict vehicle design aims going back years in which vehicle safety has been shown to be just as much of a priority to the designers as driving standards.

Regardless of the NCAP ratings the fact is the more metal that can be put between the victim and the accident the better chance the victim has and I don’t think that there’s any evidence which would show that the safest cars like Mercedes E or S Class for example or bonneted trucks cause more aggressive driving by their drivers.

A bonneted truck is just not feasible for our island though. you would not get into half the places and round half the corners that we all have to negotiate day in day out.

[carryfast]

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

albion1971:
As for building trucks with bonnets that will not change the way the driver drives.Yes it might save a truck drivers life but it’s the drivers that need to change not the trucks.Aggressive drivers would become even more aggressive with a long bonnet in front of them.It would make then feel even safer than they are now while tailgating other vehicles.

But surely saving lives is what it’s all about and it doesn’t matter how it’s done because it’s the numbers that matter.There’s no logic in just trying to improve the figures by concentrating on one issue when those numbers could be improved even more by the combination of looking at both driving standards and the crash worthiness of vehicles.

The idea that improving crash worthiness creates more aggressive driving,leading to more casualties,not less,would contradict vehicle design aims going back years in which vehicle safety has been shown to be just as much of a priority to the designers as driving standards.

Regardless of the NCAP ratings the fact is the more metal that can be put between the victim and the accident the better chance the victim has and I don’t think that there’s any evidence which would show that the safest cars like Mercedes E or S Class for example or bonneted trucks cause more aggressive driving by their drivers.

A bonneted truck is just not feasible for our island though. you would not get into half the places and round half the corners that we all have to negotiate day in day out.

That’s what a lot of the ex pats say.Usually based on 53 ft trailers,with axles set on the back,pulled by 6 wheeler rigid length tractor units with massive sleeper pods behind the cab.Which is like comparing apples with oranges.

I can’t see the major problem in most applications here with euro spec trailers and euro type sleepers and overall unit lengths which would reflect that.

[weeto]

At the end of the day, this is the sort of idiots we share the roads with!! speed = 54mph approx.
Until the police start to prosecute these drivers, or they have a serious accident they will carry on driving like this.

[dafman]

eezeer:
what has that link got to do with anythin, this site realy dose my head in somtimes

Well don’t come on here then you seem a very angry person I hope you are not a lorry driver, enjoy your day in primary school tomorrow

[socketset]

It’s happened to me when I’ve been in lane two and am wanting to return to lane one - looking in the nearside mirror for a flash or to make sure I’m not taking a trucks grille badge off with the barn doors - when some thing kicks off in front of me that hasn’t got my full attention. Especially when your holding up a few vehicles on a dual and you want to clear lane two as safely but quickly as poss.
So maybe you have brake a little just when it’s the worst possible time. It doesn’t happen often but things can get a bit iffy when it does.

Maybe a camera and screen near the operating position would save a drivers head turning away from the action - somebody will be along in a minute to say that this is/has been done

RIP fellas.

[socketset]

Oh, no. The Talibans gonna be here any minute

[daidap]

FarnboroughBoy11:
Do they make the full investigation public once it’s concluded?? The reason I ask is because reports just don’t add up or they are not clear anyway. If the women in the Peugeot 307 was indeed between the lorries stationary then how on earth has she only suffered whiplash?? It was obviously enough force to kill the driver in front so that car supposedly took all the initial impact?? I think not.

I passed by southbound sometime later, and having seen what I saw I was absolutely stunned to read that the woman survived. I mean the car was utterly destroyed. Flattened. Much of it seemed to be under the Spar lorry. Ok by the time I passed the jaws of life had been to work, but Jesus Christ…

I tell you, that’s the last time i take the ■■■■ out of crappy French cars.

[ajt]

There’s a bit of a difference between tailgating and someone ploughing into standing traffic at say 50.

[waynedl]

Carryfast:

albion1971:
As for building trucks with bonnets that will not change the way the driver drives.Yes it might save a truck drivers life but it’s the drivers that need to change not the trucks.Aggressive drivers would become even more aggressive with a long bonnet in front of them.It would make then feel even safer than they are now while tailgating other vehicles.

But surely saving lives is what it’s all about and it doesn’t matter how it’s done because it’s the numbers that matter.There’s no logic in just trying to improve the figures by concentrating on one issue when those numbers could be improved even more by the combination of looking at both driving standards and the crash worthiness of vehicles.

The idea that improving crash worthiness creates more aggressive driving,leading to more casualties,not less,would contradict vehicle design aims going back years in which vehicle safety has been shown to be just as much of a priority to the designers as driving standards.

Regardless of the NCAP ratings the fact is the more metal that can be put between the victim and the accident the better chance the victim has and I don’t think that there’s any evidence which would show that the safest cars like Mercedes E or S Class for example or bonneted trucks cause more aggressive driving by their drivers.

Actually, I believe the modern cars with their airbags and excellent sound proofing is partly to blame for the dropping driving standards on our roads. They put the muppets in a cocoon, and these muppets don’t give a ■■■■ what’s happening outside.

I drive an artic, so 1 of the biggest and safest vehicles on the road, but I also ride a pushbike and a motorbike, keeps you a bit grounded when you’re also 1 of the most vulnerable people on the road.

1 thing that gets on my ■■■■ is how close people get, whether in the truck or on the pushbike, had a truck nearly take my mirror off the other day pulling back in, so I returned the favour, not big or clever, but the next time he passed me, he left it until he got flashed in. My truck does a sat nav speed of 57mph (55.9 on the cruise control), but also has an economy mode where it restricts the cruise to 52.8mph. I usually run in the economy mode, giving me a few mph in the bag for overtaking (press throttle and it goes upto the 55.9 but cruise setting stays at 52..

When on the pushbike, cars are so impatient, but if I wasn’t on the bike, I’d be in a car, much bigger, much more congestion and much harder to pass, so especially in towns and in traffic, give the cyclist a bit of room, it’s 1 less car.

Anyway, back to the OP, RIP drivers.

[lizzie]

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■
Thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of the drvers that were killed in this accident.
R.I.P. Alan and Michael.

[fatboy_slimslow]

eezeer:
ive read loads of your posts and i think that you are so up your own arse you are absolutly bloody perfect. All a accident or crash takes is 1 mistake and you ave never made 1, [zb] people have died and you are on a [zb] soap box

he’s that perfect and drove 3 million miles but he doesn’t drive ANYMORE! keyboard warrior

[farnboroughboy11]

DaiDap:

FarnboroughBoy11:
Do they make the full investigation public once it’s concluded?? The reason I ask is because reports just don’t add up or they are not clear anyway. If the women in the Peugeot 307 was indeed between the lorries stationary then how on earth has she only suffered whiplash?? It was obviously enough force to kill the driver in front so that car supposedly took all the initial impact?? I think not.

I passed by southbound sometime later, and having seen what I saw I was absolutely stunned to read that the woman survived. I mean the car was utterly destroyed. Flattened. Much of it seemed to be under the Spar lorry. Ok by the time I passed the jaws of life had been to work, but Jesus Christ…

I tell you, that’s the last time i take the ■■■■ out of crappy French cars.

That is some serious luck then. Jesus, the car must of just crumpled around her body.

[farnboroughboy11]

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

albion1971:
As for building trucks with bonnets that will not change the way the driver drives.Yes it might save a truck drivers life but it’s the drivers that need to change not the trucks.Aggressive drivers would become even more aggressive with a long bonnet in front of them.It would make then feel even safer than they are now while tailgating other vehicles.

But surely saving lives is what it’s all about and it doesn’t matter how it’s done because it’s the numbers that matter.There’s no logic in just trying to improve the figures by concentrating on one issue when those numbers could be improved even more by the combination of looking at both driving standards and the crash worthiness of vehicles.

The idea that improving crash worthiness creates more aggressive driving,leading to more casualties,not less,would contradict vehicle design aims going back years in which vehicle safety has been shown to be just as much of a priority to the designers as driving standards.

Regardless of the NCAP ratings the fact is the more metal that can be put between the victim and the accident the better chance the victim has and I don’t think that there’s any evidence which would show that the safest cars like Mercedes E or S Class for example or bonneted trucks cause more aggressive driving by their drivers.

A bonneted truck is just not feasible for our island though. you would not get into half the places and round half the corners that we all have to negotiate day in day out.

That’s what a lot of the ex pats say.Usually based on 53 ft trailers,with axles set on the back,pulled by 6 wheeler rigid length tractor units with massive sleeper pods behind the cab.Which is like comparing apples with oranges.

I can’t see the major problem in most applications here with euro spec trailers and euro type sleepers and overall unit lengths which would reflect that.

Sorry Carryfast, are you saying you think that smaller bonneted cabs would work over here with our normal 45ft trailers instead of the common cab over style we drive??

[carryfast]

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

albion1971:
As for building trucks with bonnets that will not change the way the driver drives.Yes it might save a truck drivers life but it’s the drivers that need to change not the trucks.Aggressive drivers would become even more aggressive with a long bonnet in front of them.It would make then feel even safer than they are now while tailgating other vehicles.

But surely saving lives is what it’s all about and it doesn’t matter how it’s done because it’s the numbers that matter.There’s no logic in just trying to improve the figures by concentrating on one issue when those numbers could be improved even more by the combination of looking at both driving standards and the crash worthiness of vehicles.

The idea that improving crash worthiness creates more aggressive driving,leading to more casualties,not less,would contradict vehicle design aims going back years in which vehicle safety has been shown to be just as much of a priority to the designers as driving standards.

Regardless of the NCAP ratings the fact is the more metal that can be put between the victim and the accident the better chance the victim has and I don’t think that there’s any evidence which would show that the safest cars like Mercedes E or S Class for example or bonneted trucks cause more aggressive driving by their drivers.

A bonneted truck is just not feasible for our island though. you would not get into half the places and round half the corners that we all have to negotiate day in day out.

That’s what a lot of the ex pats say.Usually based on 53 ft trailers,with axles set on the back,pulled by 6 wheeler rigid length tractor units with massive sleeper pods behind the cab.Which is like comparing apples with oranges.

I can’t see the major problem in most applications here with euro spec trailers and euro type sleepers and overall unit lengths which would reflect that.

Sorry Carryfast, are you saying you think that smaller bonneted cabs would work over here with our normal 45ft trailers instead of the common cab over style we drive??

Something along the lines of a conventional yank Volvo or similar but with a euro sleeper cab not an American one and then shorten the unit’s overall length by the difference or even possibly something like a bonneted Scania.I’ve seen similar types of outfits used quite often in France where they seem to be a bit less paranoid about the length issue.

As for rigids no problem at all.I drove one of these around the streets of small towns like Dorking regularly.

youtube.com/watch?v=NVlrG4h4Wks

[denis_f]

weeto:
At the end of the day, this is the sort of idiots we share the roads with!! speed = 54mph approx.
Until the police start to prosecute these drivers, or they have a serious accident they will carry on driving like this.

pot, kettle, black

tailgating or taking a pic while driving

[gingo]

Too many drivers in a rush to get nowhere you see it all the time.
+1

[farnboroughboy11]

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

albion1971:
As for building trucks with bonnets that will not change the way the driver drives.Yes it might save a truck drivers life but it’s the drivers that need to change not the trucks.Aggressive drivers would become even more aggressive with a long bonnet in front of them.It would make then feel even safer than they are now while tailgating other vehicles.

But surely saving lives is what it’s all about and it doesn’t matter how it’s done because it’s the numbers that matter.There’s no logic in just trying to improve the figures by concentrating on one issue when those numbers could be improved even more by the combination of looking at both driving standards and the crash worthiness of vehicles.

The idea that improving crash worthiness creates more aggressive driving,leading to more casualties,not less,would contradict vehicle design aims going back years in which vehicle safety has been shown to be just as much of a priority to the designers as driving standards.

Regardless of the NCAP ratings the fact is the more metal that can be put between the victim and the accident the better chance the victim has and I don’t think that there’s any evidence which would show that the safest cars like Mercedes E or S Class for example or bonneted trucks cause more aggressive driving by their drivers.

A bonneted truck is just not feasible for our island though. you would not get into half the places and round half the corners that we all have to negotiate day in day out.

That’s what a lot of the ex pats say.Usually based on 53 ft trailers,with axles set on the back,pulled by 6 wheeler rigid length tractor units with massive sleeper pods behind the cab.Which is like comparing apples with oranges.

I can’t see the major problem in most applications here with euro spec trailers and euro type sleepers and overall unit lengths which would reflect that.

Sorry Carryfast, are you saying you think that smaller bonneted cabs would work over here with our normal 45ft trailers instead of the common cab over style we drive??

Something along the lines of a conventional yank Volvo or similar but with a euro sleeper cab not an American one and then shorten the unit’s overall length by the difference or even possibly something like a bonneted Scania.I’ve seen similar types of outfits used quite often in France where they seem to be a bit less paranoid about the length issue.

As for rigids no problem at all.I drove one of these around the streets of small towns like Dorking regularly.

youtube.com/watch?v=NVlrG4h4Wks

But I think we rely on siting on top of the wheels and having a flat front cab too much.
If you add another 3ft of overhang at the front (a bonnet) then half the places would be inaccessible, your Dorking being a good example. Coming from Guildford on the A25 going towards the high street then doing a right into South street, if we had a bonneted unit then you would have to turn earlier sacrificing say another 2-3ft cut in on the trailer wheels which in turn (if you know what I mean) will hit the black steel cone things on the corners.

[carryfast]

FarnboroughBoy11:
But I think we rely on siting on top of the wheels and having a flat front cab too much.
If you add another 3ft of overhang at the front (a bonnet) then half the places would be inaccessible, your Dorking being a good example. Coming from Guildford on the A25 going towards the high street then doing a right into South street, if we had a bonneted unit then you would have to turn earlier sacrificing say another 2-3ft cut in on the trailer wheels which in turn (if you know what I mean) will hit the black steel cone things on the corners.

Don’t forget this is one of those yank units pulling a 53 foot trailer.

youtube.com/watch?v=vAEzprnn-6A 2.46 On.

As for Dorking South Street with an artic pulled with a conventional ( or a cab over ) from Guildford just go through to the Deepdene roundabout and turn round there just in case.Because I’d be more worried about what the tail sweep might do on the left let alone worrying about what the cut in might do to the bollards on the right.

While a left turn here with a bonneted 6 wheeler Magiruz Deutz with a plough on the front could be interesting with a line of traffic waiting to get out at the junction.( They’ve moved the line back a lot from where it was in the 1980’s ).

maps.google.com/?ieUT8&ll=512568 … 3,0.14.62

While according to the Dutch it’s ok to pull a 45 ft trailer here with a conventional Scania at least.This was in Lincolnshire by all accounts.

truck-photos.net.s3.amazonaws.com/7950.jpg

[albion1971]

Fatboy slimslow:

eezeer:
ive read loads of your posts and i think that you are so up your own arse you are absolutly bloody perfect. All a accident or crash takes is 1 mistake and you ave never made 1, [zb] people have died and you are on a [zb] soap box

he’s that perfect and drove 3 million miles but he doesn’t drive ANYMORE! keyboard warrior

Where do you get your facts from Fatboy ? Almost everyone of your posts are futile and slanderous.I still drive trucks regularly.
Is it just a coincidence that you pick up on another puerile poster or maybe you just both have limited capacity.

[weeto]

Denis F:

weeto:
At the end of the day, this is the sort of idiots we share the roads with!! speed = 54mph approx.
Until the police start to prosecute these drivers, or they have a serious accident they will carry on driving like this.

pot, kettle, black

tailgating or taking a pic while driving

So which one shall we consider the worser offence considering phone is in the holder and you don’t need to touch the phone to take a pic, and at the end of the day I am glad it’s a diesel tanker and not that other stuff.
Lets have a vote for which numpty should get done from the pic haha