M25

Now, I’ve been lucky and missed it all this week with traffic jams etc but today I was caught up in it for over 2 hours. What’s going on with this road near to Dartford. It seems to be getting worse.

I suggest they scrap the bridge and leave it to flow as I feel that bridge causes the hold ups

They wouldn’t capitalise if they did that…too easy

Scrap the bridge? Do we need Clarkson’s Hovervans then?

Loathes me to make that Tory voter richer!

Scrapping the bridge would be a bad idea.

No bridge = no road, and a lot of wet feet.

Ken.

it never really recovered from an accident a few miles b4 the bridge at 5 am then another one in the afternoon screwed it properly but funnily enuf the lackwall was fairly quiet yest afternoon

Got caught up there, but only for a little over an hour around 6ish. Seemed to be flowing a bit better actually over the bridge.

Rather than scrapping the bridge, it might be a better idea to abolish the tolls (and therefore the toll booths) that are usually at the root of the congestion. Then add a couple of quid to everyone’s road tax in Scotland to pay for it. This would have the additional benefit of demonstrating to those North of the border that subsidy is a two-way process :wink:

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Roymondo:
Rather than scrapping the bridge, it might be a better idea to abolish the tolls (and therefore the toll booths) that are usually at the root of the congestion. Then add a couple of quid to everyone’s road tax in Scotland to pay for it. This would have the additional benefit of demonstrating to those North of the border that subsidy is a two-way process :wink:

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I agree. Get rid of tolls and it should be fine. Get the scots to pay the difference, sod it chuck in the Welsh to.

After spending ten minutes in the Dartford Crossing control room, the two operators were constantly dealing with calls from the booths, ranging from over height vehicles, usually foreign, people with no money, people who had gone wrong way etc etc. A lot of these mean that the drivers and vehicles have to be escorted, which means booths are closed for a very short time, maybe a minute, but that causes delays. I was amazed how busy these operators were. The calls were constant. I agree with removing the booths, but some of the problems will cause more delays, especially over height vehicles, because of being stuck at the booths, they would be stuck at the tunnel entrance, or even worse, inside the tunnel.

Tolls are definitely the problem. I got caught in it northbound yesterday morning when a caravanette had broke down and they closed the outside booths (6 of them) whilst a traffic officer towed it out of the way…held up for over an hour!

It will all be free flow soon just on fast tags and fines with probably a lane/holding area for the ‘unusual/difficult’ ones.

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23334597

speedyguy:
It will all be free flow soon just on fast tags and fines with probably a lane/holding area for the ‘unusual/difficult’ ones.

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23334597

^^^This^^^

Don’t you worry they’ll have them tolls open for you Mickyblue very soon and they’ll still make sure that you pay for it though with a “open” road policy. Bearing in mind I think the last enquiry said we’d paid for the bridge 3 or more time over IIRC!

I imagine we would have soon paid for the second one too out of this set of tolls, they keep talking about. But that second will be paid for by the public and then we’ll contribute with tolls to pay it back over 3 or 4 times more!

It makes me die when you hear about the maintenance costs, must be the most expensive bridge in the world based on that. You don’t hear of the bridge bearings being replaced every month do you, otherwise the thing would be closed most of the time while they carried that work out! :unamused:

Also the same applies for the Severn Crossing delete as applicable, those tolls will never be removed, too good a revenue earner!

C