maga:
cav551:
Easy peasy! 
Prevent all non British/UK registered lorries boarding ferries and trains in France. Since over 70 % of the lorries in Operation Stack are foreign registered, after a very short while there won’t be any trying to go back, resulting in no more operation stack. This would make life easier for UK hauliers since they would still be able to travel - and much more easily too. They would also gain substantially from an increase in trade.
**Since we don’t manufacture anything in this country an longer no factories will be short of supplies.**shelves will soon empty in the supermarkets - but of what? … mainly fruit and veg which is out of season in the UK, which we can well do without. The supermarkets will be forced to source their supplies from UK producers meaning a net benefit to the country. The losers? the packhouses which prepare the foreign food - and they are mainly staffed bu foreigners; maybe this might encourage them to go back home.
wrong. My place had to stop the production line for a shift across the whole site and cancel the overtime over the weekend due to shortages because of this.
Cars that have reached the end of the line with parts missing have to be stored until the missing parts come in. We had a brief 2 weeks ago saying there were 6000 cars waiting for parts to be finished in a car park, they basically had £300 million pounds sat on a car park they couldn’t sell yet 
god only knows how much this is costing the economy, I know that if our production lines get stopped due to a DHL error (they run the supply chain) they get fined £20k a minute!
that may sound like a lot but just for example, a car roles off the line in my building every 90 secs and the rangerovers have something like a 60k profit margin.
and thats just one factory! I bet the cost to the economy is eye watering.
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That is exactly the point that has to be brought home to Tonka-Toy Cameron and his band of Kindergarten henchmen who up to now are just wringing their hands and mouthing about the French.
Presently the inconvenience, disruption and financial loss has been restricted to the UK haulage industry, British holiday makers, Kent businesses and Kentish inhabitants and of course the lorry drivers held in Stack… none of whom seem to be of the slightest concern to UK government.
Once Mrs Snooty can’t find her caviar on the supermarket shelf, the CBI, the British Retail Consortium and the financial sector start feeling the pain, and dear-oh-dear seeing the value of their investments falling, then whoever in UK government has been leant the brain this week might wake up and actually
DO something.
No foreign lorries entering the UK via Dover Port and the Chunnel will concentrate the minds of the French as well, once their people are blocked in by traffic too. The howls of the other European nations whose trade with the UK has now stopped will add to the pressure to do something.
cav551:
Presently the inconvenience, disruption and financial loss has been restricted to the UK haulage industry, British holiday makers, Kent businesses and Kentish inhabitants and of course the lorry drivers held in Stack… none of whom seem to be of the slightest concern to UK government.
Ah yes, because foreign transport companies positivily love sitting for days on the M20. Not like they need the trucks to earn money themselves of course
Winseer:
Are the returning euro trucks actually backloaded with anything?
Each truck that comes here loaded, and returns empty - costs the UK the following:
(1) A round trip for a UK driver - wage not earned
(2) UK produced goods/produce NOT sold to the continent
(3) Our subscription to the EU that we’ve paid - only to get no return on
(4) Foreign truck derved up on the continent, tramped around the UK, and never re-fuelled here, before returning across the sea to derv up over there. UK taxes raised - NIL.
(5) No road duty paid by foreign truck
(6) No entry visa paid for by foreign haulier
(7) Fines for stowaways will only be paid by UK based trucks who can’t get away with the rap. How much in £2500 per bod fines has ever been raised from foreign truckers/hauliers?
(8) Foreign trucks don’t pay parking fines, don’t pay crossing tolls, and park behind the concrete walls under motorway bridges for free overnighting - without consequence. If a UK truck tried that - they’d be fined on the spot no doubt.
(9) Do the authorities in this country have any real, and reliable way of telling if a foreign trucker’s paperwork is valid? The driver could be an escaped criminal, licence revoked in one or more countries, or not licenced to carry the goods which are currently on the wagon (eg dangerous, or restricted import licence items…)
And to think we PAY the EU for the right to donk our money away like this…
Cross channel freight in my mind should be run like Cobelfret do - you never hear a peep of trouble out of them, and it’s another one of those “dead man’s shoes” jobs and all by the looks of it.
If we LEAVE the EU, then non-eu trade routes would actually improve further, and we’d be free to re-establish other trade routes of our own choosing.
Maybe it’s time to cut France out of the loop outright - not because I’m Francophobic, but because France is in Germany’s pocket, and most of the trouble out there right now can’t end - because Germany won’t allow the French to do what needs to be done, and close their own borders to mickey mouse traffic. 
When did Brits become so pathetically full of self pity? Poor me poor me, those awful foreigners getting it all their own way. Give me strength.
A bit pointless blaming the French.
If the french wanted to stop all the refugees gathering in Calais they could do it at a stroke.
Be grateful that they don’t.
All they would need to do is to give the refugees citizenship, thus a EU passport and unrestricted entry to Britain.
That would sove the problem for them.
That’s why we need to leave the EU as well - so the damned EU “go anywhere and sponge” passports are no longer valid for getting over here, and claiming anything apart from a 4x4 cell instead of a 4x4 off-roader. 
If we leave the EU the problems at Calais will still be there, with refugees trying to get over here.
All Countries who signed up to Schengen must allow unhindered crossing to other signatories, we dis not sign because we know where any illegal immigrant that manages to reach Europe will head for…We made a deal with France that allows us to effectively place a little piece of England in Calais, ie we can stop illegals actually setting foot in the UK by carrying out checks in Calais instead of Dover.
This deal is good for us and that is why the brit Govt is trying not to hammer the French over this too much…They might just ok f off then and check them in Dover.
It’s daft to say only UK folk and businesses suffer with Calais, my German firm for example has at times been spending €800 a day extra to try and minimise the impact on it’s England deliveries.
The problem is that anyone in Africa who can is trying to get to the land of milk and generous handouts. We need to stop being ■■■■■■■ with bleeding hearts because that makes us suckers.
The elephant in the room is that all European nations do not now have enough Children to continue without massive amounts of migrants sad but a fact we all have to accept.
Id just like to point out again that they don’t all head here. Germany has four times more than we do, France three. We are fourth or fifth on the list so far from having the biggest problem
Winseer:
That’s why we need to leave the EU as well - so the damned EU “go anywhere and sponge” passports are no longer valid for getting over here, and claiming anything apart from a 4x4 cell instead of a 4x4 off-roader.
You’re clearly a fairly intelligent chap yet even you believe the ‘they get cars and houses and free money’ tripe the crappy tabloids spin
switchlogic:
Winseer:
That’s why we need to leave the EU as well - so the damned EU “go anywhere and sponge” passports are no longer valid for getting over here, and claiming anything apart from a 4x4 cell instead of a 4x4 off-roader.
You’re clearly a fairly intelligent chap yet even you believe the ‘they get cars and houses and free money’ tripe the crappy tabloids spin
Well, I must admit when I drive around London, and I see a flash car - I look at the driver and see not a white Brit or even a white Eastern European - I see a non-caucasian non-Brit driving a car that I ask myself “What does this guy do to earn enough money to buy THAT?”
He’s not an Arab oil states guy driving a supercar, nor a business owner wearing a suit.
There doesn’t appear to be ganga smoke pouring out of the windows with a leopard print interior, nor does the driver appear to be following any kind of British cultural public behaviour in any way…
So… ‘Has he nicked the car’, ‘is he a gangster’, or ‘is he a secret agent’?
…or have I got it all wrong, and he actually stacks shelves at Tesco, and got the car on tick by falsifying a credit application?
…Or is he running a hand car wash, taking 40 lots of £50 a week off the 40 people sharing that job so they can claim £280 a week in tax credits on top of their actual 4 hours of minimum wage they are earning, the other 26 hours to qualify for tax credits shared with the other 39 car washers…?
…Or did you ever wonder why so many of them crowd around the one vehicle when an occasional customer of these establishments happens to drop in one a rather-overstaffed wash forecourt? 
I’m starting to think I misjudged you…
Or maybe he’s actually a British citizen and has worked hard to pay for that car?
Radar19:
Or maybe he’s actually a British citizen and has worked hard to pay for that car?
Come on now, be reasonable, that can’t possibly be the case!
switchlogic:
I’m starting to think I misjudged you…
I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing there. I do consider myself "Conspiracy Theory Central" though - which might well qualify me to trump the CSI on here. 
Radar19:
Or maybe he’s actually a British citizen and has worked hard to pay for that car?
He’s definitely a foreigner speaking on his mobile in possibly swahili. He’s also speaking the same language to others walking upto him.
I’d really like to know what job one can “work hard at” to earn a flash car on the sort of wages rank-and-file workers get in this country right now, bearing in mind he isn’t a suit and isn’t talking to people that I’d count as “well to do” either. 
Winseer:
I’d really like to know what job one can “work hard at” to earn a flash car on the sort of wages rank-and-file workers get in this country right now, bearing in mind he isn’t a suit and isn’t talking to people that I’d count as “well to do” either.
I’ve got a mate who’s probably the shrewdest cookie I’ve ever met, he has numerous Companies and employs hundreds of people across them all, he also dresses in jeans and trainers and whilst he doesn’t speak Swahili he is from Whaplode so could easily be mistaken for speaking a foreign tongue.
Don’t judge a book etc…
Winseer:
Radar19:
Or maybe he’s actually a British citizen and has worked hard to pay for that car?
He’s definitely a foreigner speaking on his mobile in possibly swahili. He’s also speaking the same language to others walking upto him.
I’d really like to know what job one can “work hard at” to earn a flash car on the sort of wages rank-and-file workers get in this country right now, bearing in mind he isn’t a suit and isn’t talking to people that I’d count as “well to do” either.
Brits can speak more than one language, rare, but true
The 4th Reich wouldn’t like that idea…ask norbert